Tulsi Gabbard: Why I'm leaving the Democratic Party

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Why I'm leaving the Democratic Party
...Today’s Democratic Party does not believe in our constitutionally protected right to bear arms. Our founders passed the Second Amendment out of a recognition that every one of us has a right to defend ourselves and our loved ones, and to serve as a check on a tyrannical government seeking to take away our God-given freedoms. The Democrat Party’s hatred of the Second Amendment, and their increasing authoritarian instincts, poses a serious threat to our freedoms. "Hell yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47,” Beto O'Rourke said at a debate when he was running for president. Our founders intentionally passed the Second Amendment right after the First Amendment. The majority ruling from the recent Supreme Court ruling striking down New York’s law that barred people from concealed carry firearms summarized very clearly why Democrats are wrong to try to take away our rights: “Just as we do not need to seek a permit to stand on the street corner and exercise our right to free speech, we shouldn’t have to seek permission for a law abiding citizen to carry their firearm. We as a society don’t get to pick and choose which of our rights in the constitution are more worthy of protecting than another.” Protecting our freedom to defend ourselves and those we love, and protecting our rights and freedoms enshrined in the Constitution against a tyrannical power is exactly why we must ensure our right to bear arms “shall not be infringed.”
President Biden and Democratic Party elite have pushed us to the precipice of nuclear war, risking starting WWIII and destroying the world as we know it.
Perhaps Tulsi is stating the obvious, but I wish everyone had her bravery to speak these truths.
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I put her in the same category as Bill Maher, in one respect. They are both LIBERALS versus elitist leftwingers. I don't agree with either one of those two folks on some serious key issues, but they aren't as bad as the majority of those running the Democrat Party these days, either.

However, I do agree with Gabbard on the 2nd Amendment most wholeheartedly, of course.

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K.Mooneyham wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:21 am I put her in the same category as Bill Maher, in one respect. They are both LIBERALS versus elitist leftwingers. I don't agree with either one of those two folks on some serious key issues, but they aren't as bad as the majority of those running the Democrat Party these days, either.

However, I do agree with Gabbard on the 2nd Amendment most wholeheartedly, of course.
I will honestly say that I'm more in agreement with her than I am with many of the Republicans right now. She is not the war hawk that some of them are, for example. I'm sure that if I poked at her stances on a wide variety of subjects, I'd find a lot not to like. But that goes way more than double for Collins, Murkowski and even Crenshaw. While I think he has some redeeming value, Senator Graham is more dislike than like for me now.
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On a 0-10 scale, the proper scale to use as that puts 5 dead center with zero variation either way, I'd put actual democrats, being JFK and his bunch in the 2.5-6 range. Goldwater and all that republican bunch maybe 4.5-8. Even then the shift to the left was starting. Today's national socialists hiding behind the false name democrats are 0-3.5 and today's republicans are 3-6. Gabbard is in the 3.5 area, definitely too far left but among the less terrible. Hopefully, if she's sincere and spends more time with good republicans, or what at least flies under that banner, she'll move to 4.x territory.
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K.Mooneyham wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:21 am I put her in the same category as Bill Maher, in one respect. They are both LIBERALS versus elitist leftwingers. I don't agree with either one of those two folks on some serious key issues, but they aren't as bad as the majority of those running the Democrat Party these days, either.

However, I do agree with Gabbard on the 2nd Amendment most wholeheartedly, of course.
I don't agree with her on the 2nd Amendment AT ALL based upon this tweet from her:
The stakes are too high to allow politics to get in the way of Congress taking action to pass common sense gun safety legislation. I’ve cosponsored bills to close the gun show loophole, ban assault weapons, require background checks on anyone seeking to purchase a gun & more
Until she completely repudiates her statement above she cannot be trusted on the 2nd Amendment.

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"Until she completely repudiates her statement above she cannot be trusted on the 2nd Amendment."

I don't know about you but, the above statement she made about the sanctity of the 2nd Amendment pretty much repudiates her earlier stance back in 2018. She actually slams Beto for what he said on the Presidential campaign trail about taking AR-15's and AK47's.

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I could not support her yet. In the recent past, she has always been very anti-gun rights.
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Just what we need - another rino. :yawn
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I do not trust her. She went from very left to centrist
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I dont trust her but she is easy to look at. Kinda like a stripper. :biggrinjester:

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Beiruty wrote: Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:06 am I do not trust her. She went from very left to centrist
First, if one has to migrate positions, going from a very Liberal one to a centerist is my preferred direction. Second, people can "see the light" and come off previously held stances that have been proven to be incorrect. For example, a gun hater whose confrontation with evil turns them into a self-defense advocate is a good thing. Gabbet has experienced a lot of evil as the hard Liberals in the Democratic party have attacked her.

To be clear - I'm not advocating her or what she stands for. I'm simply saying that if I had a forced choice between she and John Cornyn right now, ti would be a gut wrenching decision for me. I don't trust her. But I don't trust him a lot more. She is bright. He is stupid.
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I am not a lawyer. This is NOT legal advice.!
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Grayling813 wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 3:27 pm
K.Mooneyham wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:21 am I put her in the same category as Bill Maher, in one respect. They are both LIBERALS versus elitist leftwingers. I don't agree with either one of those two folks on some serious key issues, but they aren't as bad as the majority of those running the Democrat Party these days, either.

However, I do agree with Gabbard on the 2nd Amendment most wholeheartedly, of course.
I don't agree with her on the 2nd Amendment AT ALL based upon this tweet from her:
The stakes are too high to allow politics to get in the way of Congress taking action to pass common sense gun safety legislation. I’ve cosponsored bills to close the gun show loophole, ban assault weapons, require background checks on anyone seeking to purchase a gun & more
Until she completely repudiates her statement above she cannot be trusted on the 2nd Amendment.
Okay, I will clarify. I agree with the statement she made regarding the Second Amendment in her "quitting the Democrat Party" speech.

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The main thing that jumps out at me is that she's declaring herself an independent, not a Republican. There's no way in hell an Independent will win a presidency (if that's her goal). It's conceivable that she could end up splitting the ticket and giving the election to Biden. If she's NOT aiming for 2024, where is she going with all this?
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Ruark wrote: Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:03 pm The main thing that jumps out at me is that she's declaring herself an independent, not a Republican. There's no way in hell an Independent will win a presidency (if that's her goal). It's conceivable that she could end up splitting the ticket and giving the election to Biden. If she's NOT aiming for 2024, where is she going with all this?
That is a great question. She seems to be pretty savvy so I'm guessing that she has figured out running for President as an independent is loosing the race before the starting gun fires. I might be more worried if she had declared herself a Republican as a setup for a GOP run at POTUS. At this moment, I'm not sure that any of that matters. She is hammering the Democrats going into the the mid-terms and I find some value in that. The Dimrats haven't really tried to cancel her so they either don't think she is doing much damage to them or they are so busy fighting other fires and the fire that she is trying to burn them with isn't as big as those others.

I'm going to be very interested in what she does after the mid-terms. For now, I'm willing to go "the enemy of my enemy" route.
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