Cornyn and McConnell Will Not Back Ted Cruz

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Post by baldeagle » Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:03 pm

mr surveyor wrote:they threw Sarah Palin under the bus, they'll do it to Ted Cruz as well.
Yes, but Cruz is much more polished than Palin. He won't be easy to get rid of.
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7:40AM Texas time, and the filibuster is ongoing. It's time for the American people to wake up and realize their government is stealing their freedom and bankrupting the country.
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baldeagle wrote:7:40AM Texas time, and the filibuster is ongoing. It's time for the American people to wake up and realize their government is stealing their freedom and bankrupting the country.
They're too busy getting Starbucks. :roll:
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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:57 am

Cedar Park Dad wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
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Charles L. Cotton wrote: Wendy Davis is DOA in any statewide political race. I hope she's the candidate for Senator or Governor. BTW, I want Cornyn reelected. We don't need to Senators with no seniority or power.

Chas.
Agreed on the Cornyn part for those exact reasons. I fear the Cruz may have screwed the pooch a little with the other Republicans in the Senate (I guess Democrats as well) as he's not a senior member and made some waves.

I'm interested in your reasoning on why you think Davis (why does my head say Brown when I type that - yikes) won't take a statewide race?
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She's a liberal Democrat with no support among moderates and she's despised by conservatives.

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I thought she was the darling of the Democratic party. I appear to be misinformed. If so, then I wonder who on the D ticket will run (and on the R ticket for that matter).
She is the darling of the DNC that's pouring money into Texas trying to make it a blue state. Also, there are no moderate Democrats left in Texas, at least not in any significant number.

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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:34 am

TexasCajun wrote:The bottom line on Cruz is that he's got the right idea. If the republican establishment won't get on board, then they need to get out of the way. If they won't get out of the way, them they need to be made to do so (through election).
I agree that Sen. Cruz does have a rational approach to the looming problems the country is facing. Most if not all conservatives feel the same. However, American voters overwhelmingly define themselves as moderates and Cruz isn't going over well with that group. If Cruz-style conservationism was widely accepted, we'd see more Senators like him elected. We see a good number of conservatives in the House because they are elected in districts where concentrations of true conservatives can swing an election. I don't like this bleak fact, but denying it is futile.
TexasCajun wrote:The so-called government shut down is just another liberal media bogeyman created to bully any congressman who dares to oppose the occupant at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Essential services will still be provided. The nation won't go undefended. Schools won't close. People won't go hungry. The sky won't fall. The sun will continue to rise in the east. We've gone through so-called shut downs before & we're still here (with a government of unprecedented size, by the way).
:iagree: The government cannot and will not "shut down." The President will allocate resources, to the extent he can, in a way that causes the most pain to the greatest number of Americans so he can blame the loss of services on Republicans. Nevertheless, the "government" isn't going to turn off the lights and go home while Rome burns.

There is a way out of the dire financial condition we now face. It would be unthinkable and undesirable in the extreme, but there is a way out if a worst case situation does eventually develop. It would cause worldwide repercussions, nationalization of assets held by American companies abroad, economic collapse of other nations on a Biblical scale and possibly even major wars. It would certainly spawn regional wars of conquest. It would be somewhat like the fall of Rome that triggered 1,000+ years of the Dark Ages, but for other countries, not the U.S. America and Americans would survive and even flourish. So what is this miracle cure? Disavowing all foreign debt and nationalizing all foreign assets in the U.S. China knows this is a very real possibility, albeit one that is truly a last resort to be exercised to prevent imminent financial collapse. Other countries know it as well and some have futilely demanded that we let them take their gold from Fort Knox.

Lest anyone claim I'm advocating this approach, I am not! I merely acknowledge and accept this as a final financial doomsday option. Nor is it my idea. It was first discussed by economists during the Carter days of rampant inflation during a recession, something economists theretofore believed impossible.

So yes, we are in trouble financially, but to argue that the U.S. will fold and that Americans will be living in warlord-like communes is simply not realistic.

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Not to worry, when the US goes bankrupt and our whole economy collapses into ruins, Obamacare will get defunded automatically.
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Post by MechAg94 » Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:19 pm

Question about some comments earlier: If Senator Cornyn is not making the right decisions for Texas and is behaving like an establishment politician, what good does it do to have him as our "senior" Senator with "power". It seems to me that is doesn't matter how much power he has if he isn't doing what we want. Before anyone mentions the "compromise" issue, please explain what value "compromise" has when your side gets absolutely nothing? That is not the compromise talked about in generations past.

For me personally, Cruz is doing exactly what I voted for him to do. I wanted him to challenge the Obama administration and Democrats in general. I wanted him to challenge Republicans who seem intent on going along with Democrats. I am happy. Now to target the next guy up for reelection and see what he has been up to.


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Post by mr surveyor » Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:33 pm

when it comes to getting a job done, I place only a small value on "seniority". I've known folks that had 10 years of experience that equated to a year's worth of applicable knowledge and ability. Also known a few with only a year's worth of experience that could perform circles around the former example.

We would be well served in my opinion to have a political system in which "seniority" began and ended with a second term. Most of the current problems would cease to exist.
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MechAg94 wrote:Question about some comments earlier: If Senator Cornyn is not making the right decisions for Texas and is behaving like an establishment politician, what good does it do to have him as our "senior" Senator with "power". It seems to me that is doesn't matter how much power he has if he isn't doing what we want. Before anyone mentions the "compromise" issue, please explain what value "compromise" has when your side gets absolutely nothing? That is not the compromise talked about in generations past.

For me personally, Cruz is doing exactly what I voted for him to do. I wanted him to challenge the Obama administration and Democrats in general. I wanted him to challenge Republicans who seem intent on going along with Democrats. I am happy. Now to target the next guy up for reelection and see what he has been up to.


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Senator Senior Do Nothing or Senator Junior Do Something ?

Easy choice for me and that's Ted Cruz who is the new breed, not the stale old defeatist senior go along to get along!
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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:17 pm

Poldark wrote:
MechAg94 wrote:Question about some comments earlier: If Senator Cornyn is not making the right decisions for Texas and is behaving like an establishment politician, what good does it do to have him as our "senior" Senator with "power". It seems to me that is doesn't matter how much power he has if he isn't doing what we want. Before anyone mentions the "compromise" issue, please explain what value "compromise" has when your side gets absolutely nothing? That is not the compromise talked about in generations past.

For me personally, Cruz is doing exactly what I voted for him to do. I wanted him to challenge the Obama administration and Democrats in general. I wanted him to challenge Republicans who seem intent on going along with Democrats. I am happy. Now to target the next guy up for reelection and see what he has been up to.


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Senator Senior Do Nothing or Senator Junior Do Something ?

Easy choice for me and that's Ted Cruz who is the new breed, not the stale old defeatist senior go along to get along!
Are you folks completely unaware that Sen. Cornyn was considered by his fellow Senators to be the most conservative Senator? Do nothing? Really? What has Cruz accomplished? Nothing! He's made noise, he's saying things I like, but he hasn't accomplished anything. Unless the rest of the states elect like-minded Senators, and they will not, he never will accomplish anything.

Ron Paul, the darling of the Libertarians, was a loud mouth nut-job who managed to pass only two bills in 24 years. One was a local bill that let the City of Austin do something with federal land and the other was a memorial bill honoring someone. In a quarter century, he accomplished nothing! He even voted against the best interest of gun owners, yet many still hold him up as an example of the type of Congressman we should send to Washington. No offense folks, but anyone who thinks seniority is not critically important in passing or blocking legislation simply does not know how congress works.

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Post by mr surveyor » Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:29 pm

Mr. Cotton, in all due respect, I believe that life long, professional politicians have resulted in Congress NOT working very well. I grew up believing that Congress was to be composed of a "citizen legislature" in which the elected members temporarily left their "day jobs" in order to meet for a limited time to take care of the limited Constitutionally required business of the country. Listening to the voices of a small segment of their constituents occasionally during the course of an almost Ivory Tower 20-30 (or more) year stint in Congress, just doesn't equate to "experience in my opinion

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Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Poldark wrote:
MechAg94 wrote:Question about some comments earlier: If Senator Cornyn is not making the right decisions for Texas and is behaving like an establishment politician, what good does it do to have him as our "senior" Senator with "power". It seems to me that is doesn't matter how much power he has if he isn't doing what we want. Before anyone mentions the "compromise" issue, please explain what value "compromise" has when your side gets absolutely nothing? That is not the compromise talked about in generations past.

For me personally, Cruz is doing exactly what I voted for him to do. I wanted him to challenge the Obama administration and Democrats in general. I wanted him to challenge Republicans who seem intent on going along with Democrats. I am happy. Now to target the next guy up for reelection and see what he has been up to.


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Senator Senior Do Nothing or Senator Junior Do Something ?

Easy choice for me and that's Ted Cruz who is the new breed, not the stale old defeatist senior go along to get along!
Are you folks completely unaware that Sen. Cornyn was considered by his fellow Senators to be the most conservative Senator? Do nothing? Really? What has Cruz accomplished? Nothing! He's made noise, he's saying things I like, but he hasn't accomplished anything. Unless the rest of the states elect like-minded Senators, and they will not, he never will accomplish anything.

Ron Paul, the darling of the Libertarians, was a loud mouth nut-job who managed to pass only two bills in 24 years. One was a local bill that let the City of Austin do something with federal land and the other was a memorial bill honoring someone. In a quarter century, he accomplished nothing! He even voted against the best interest of gun owners, yet many still hold him up as an example of the type of Congressman we should send to Washington. No offense folks, but anyone who thinks seniority is not critically important in passing or blocking legislation simply does not know how congress works.

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Re: Cornyn and McConnell Will Not Back Ted Cruz

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Are you folks completely unaware that Sen. Cornyn was considered by his fellow Senators to be the most conservative Senator? Do nothing? Really? What has Cruz accomplished? Nothing! He's made noise, he's saying things I like, but he hasn't accomplished anything. Unless the rest of the states elect like-minded Senators, and they will not, he never will accomplish anything.

Ron Paul, the darling of the Libertarians, was a loud mouth nut-job who managed to pass only two bills in 24 years. One was a local bill that let the City of Austin do something with federal land and the other was a memorial bill honoring someone. In a quarter century, he accomplished nothing! He even voted against the best interest of gun owners, yet many still hold him up as an example of the type of Congressman we should send to Washington. No offense folks, but anyone who thinks seniority is not critically important in passing or blocking legislation simply does not know how congress works.

Chas.
A man after my own heart. I am a moderate Democrat. Perhaps one of the rare few these days. From my perspective, Perry has been an embarrassment to the state for the last few years, so it's time for him to go. The Presidency is not in his future, but he hasn't got that message yet. Abbott is smarter and has more entrenched friends in high places than Davis, all of whom have deeper pockets. Davis is attractive which sadly will get a few votes but is the only Democrat with a recognizable name statewide. Liberal Democrats or Moderate Democrats, she will draw that vote because Abbott does not speak to the moderates, but there aren't enough Democrats in sheer numbers to overtake the small town Republicans in Texas. Abbott is the next Governor.

Listening to our junior Senator today, I was drawn to another Senator in the 1950's who was both eloquent and conservative. It didn't work out for him either. There are times when politicians can run wild and other times when they need to play nice. Nothing has ever been accomplished in any legislative body where all members were unwilling to listen and occasionally compromise. Junior seems to think that if he can't have his way, he will take his toys and go home. This is the real world now, and it doesn't work that way anymore.

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Post by texanjoker » Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:43 pm

baldeagle wrote:7:40AM Texas time, and the filibuster is ongoing. It's time for the American people to wake up and realize their government is stealing their freedom and bankrupting the country.

Yup and they just signed the UN treaty as well.


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gdanaher wrote:
Are you folks completely unaware that Sen. Cornyn was considered by his fellow Senators to be the most conservative Senator? Do nothing? Really? What has Cruz accomplished? Nothing! He's made noise, he's saying things I like, but he hasn't accomplished anything. Unless the rest of the states elect like-minded Senators, and they will not, he never will accomplish anything.

Ron Paul, the darling of the Libertarians, was a loud mouth nut-job who managed to pass only two bills in 24 years. One was a local bill that let the City of Austin do something with federal land and the other was a memorial bill honoring someone. In a quarter century, he accomplished nothing! He even voted against the best interest of gun owners, yet many still hold him up as an example of the type of Congressman we should send to Washington. No offense folks, but anyone who thinks seniority is not critically important in passing or blocking legislation simply does not know how congress works.

Chas.
A man after my own heart. I am a moderate Democrat. Perhaps one of the rare few these days. From my perspective, Perry has been an embarrassment to the state for the last few years, so it's time for him to go. The Presidency is not in his future, but he hasn't got that message yet. Abbott is smarter and has more entrenched friends in high places than Davis, all of whom have deeper pockets. Davis is attractive which sadly will get a few votes but is the only Democrat with a recognizable name statewide. Liberal Democrats or Moderate Democrats, she will draw that vote because Abbott does not speak to the moderates, but there aren't enough Democrats in sheer numbers to overtake the small town Republicans in Texas. Abbott is the next Governor.

Listening to our junior Senator today, I was drawn to another Senator in the 1950's who was both eloquent and conservative. It didn't work out for him either. There are times when politicians can run wild and other times when they need to play nice. Nothing has ever been accomplished in any legislative body where all members were unwilling to listen and occasionally compromise. Junior seems to think that if he can't have his way, he will take his toys and go home. This is the real world now, and it doesn't work that way anymore.



and what makes you think Cruz will buckle and "take his toys and go home"?
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