Two arrested at Austin Capitol during open carry rally

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Re: Two arrested at Austin Capitol during open carry rally

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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Mon Oct 28, 2013 2:40 pm

These arrests were on KHOU Ch. 11 TV news last night and it was noted that they were given the opportunity to leave and refused. These tactics will not pass open-carry. They are more likely to result in the definition of "firearms" being amended to include all firearms, regardless of age, propellant or ignition system.

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Re: Two arrested at Austin Capitol during open carry rally

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Post by nightmare69 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 2:56 pm

More trolling at the capital and everyone has their Iphone camera rolling.
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Re: Two arrested at Austin Capitol during open carry rally

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Post by Cedar Park Dad » Mon Oct 28, 2013 3:23 pm

In addition to lobbying, etc. if you want to physically march, why not just bring a sign and an empty holster? Your point is made but no one gets arrested and no one gets freaked out. Besides if you're carrying a cap and ball, how are you protesting the law? Aren't you(the general you) just skirting the law trying to be sneaky? :confused5


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Re: Two arrested at Austin Capitol during open carry rally

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Post by K.Mooneyham » Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:02 pm

IMHO, both sides handled this poorly. The protesters obviously wanted a confrontation; they used a method that guaranteed it, in fact. However, law enforcement played right into their hands, creating a scene that made the protesters' actions appear as civil disobedience. It would seem a more prudent course of action would have been to keep the protest contained and let them talk all they want; eventually they would get tired and leave.


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Re: Two arrested at Austin Capitol during open carry rally

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Post by SherwoodForest » Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:38 pm

Perhaps what can be easily overlooked amid this grass-roots activism availing itself of THE LAW regarding pre-1899 BP revolvers and long guns is that this is not happening within a vacuum.

Texas law 46.02(a) classifying ANY manner of handgun carry as a criminal offense , subject only to statutory specified exceptions, is on an inevitable collision course with Heller/McDonald.

Again - I'm going to stress - this isn't about THE LAW. These activists are not violating Texas law.

They are ANNOYING State officials - by using Texas law to get a message out. THAT is the rub.

Either THE LAW means something - or it doesn't ( if "somebody" doesn't like the law).


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Re: Two arrested at Austin Capitol during open carry rally

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Post by TexasCajun » Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:55 pm

So other than a bunch of incendiary YouTube videos, what had the open carry movement actually accomplished with all of this nonsense????
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Re: Two arrested at Austin Capitol during open carry rally

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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:01 pm

K.Mooneyham wrote:IMHO, both sides handled this poorly. The protesters obviously wanted a confrontation; they used a method that guaranteed it, in fact. However, law enforcement played right into their hands, creating a scene that made the protesters' actions appear as civil disobedience. It would seem a more prudent course of action would have been to keep the protest contained and let them talk all they want; eventually they would get tired and leave.
You may well be right, but there is no political downside for law enforcement, while there is for the protesters. They lose, their cause loses, and the definition of "firearms" will very possibly be changed. That's the reality of the situation.

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Re: Two arrested at Austin Capitol during open carry rally

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Post by SewTexas » Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:12 pm

one interesting thing I noticed....last night our CBS affiliate, KENS5, ran an article about this incident and they seemed to sort of push the point that the group insisted the guns did not meet the definition to be illegal. maybe it was just me, but it was very easy to come away from the article with a bad feeling about the DPS....(although the group's screaming didn't help their cause, but that's a pet peeve of mine.)
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Re: Two arrested at Austin Capitol during open carry rally

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Post by E.Marquez » Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:19 pm

SherwoodForest wrote:Perhaps what can be easily overlooked amid this grass-roots activism availing itself of THE LAW regarding pre-1899 BP revolvers and long guns is that this is not happening within a vacuum.

Texas law 46.02(a) classifying ANY manner of handgun carry as a criminal offense , subject only to statutory specified exceptions, is on an inevitable collision course with Heller/McDonald.

Again - I'm going to stress - this isn't about THE LAW. These activists are not violating Texas law.

They are ANNOYING State officials - by using Texas law to get a message out. THAT is the rub.

Either THE LAW means something - or it doesn't ( if "somebody" doesn't like the law).
In your face tactics FAIL yet again.

That should be the headline.

Officer: Sir, open carry of a handgun is illegal IAW PC xyz.
Intentional Antagonist: It's not a handgun, you can't even ask me for ID as I've done nothing illegal.
Officer: Sir, you appear to be carrying a handgun, in violation of PC xyz. It may not be, but as I'm not an antiques expert I have no way of confirming it is not a handgun under texas law, and therefore illegal to be openly carried.
Intentional Antagonist: It not handgun because I say it is, and there for you have no right to stop me (insert picture of Intentional Antagonist sticking his tongue out and making the pffffft sound)
Officer: Sir, I'll give you the benefit of doubt, as it does look old to me, please depart the area with the handgun now.
Intentional Antagonist: It not handgun because I say it is, and there for you have no right to stop me (insert picture of Intentional Antagonist sticking his tongue out and making the pffffft sound)
Officer: Yes sir, very well, you are now under arrest.

Minds changed in this encounter ZERO.
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Re: Two arrested at Austin Capitol during open carry rally

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Post by bizarrenormality » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:56 pm

texanjoker wrote:LOL They go to make a statement, then cry when they get arrested "rlol" . I like the guys comment about making a "bigger show of it." They wanted the show and got it. They better hope those guns were really exempt. No way for the leo's to know that w/o them cooperating.
LOL. If they can't tell the difference between a cap and ball revolver and a handgun that uses "rim fire or center fire ammunition" maybe they shouldn't be enforcing gun laws in Texas. It sounds like something you expect from California. "rlol"
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Re: Two arrested at Austin Capitol during open carry rally

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Post by E.Marquez » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:17 pm

bizarrenormality wrote: LOL. If they can't tell the difference between a cap and ball revolver and a handgun that uses "rim fire or center fire ammunition" maybe they shouldn't be enforcing gun laws in Texas. It sounds like something you expect from California. "rlol"
Is that part of the TCLEOSE training and certification?
Are you an expert on everything about everything and anything that there is a law restricting?

In your face tactics FAIL yet again.
No minds were changed.
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Re: Two arrested at Austin Capitol during open carry rally

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Post by bizarrenormality » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:21 pm

E.Marquez wrote:Are you an expert on everything about everything and anything that there is a law restricting?
I'm competent in my chosen profession. It's sad if that's too high a bar for some people.
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Re: Two arrested at Austin Capitol during open carry rally

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Post by SherwoodForest » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:22 pm

1845 Texas Constitutional convention delegate one Mr. Oglethree offered the proposition that.............."No person in a civilized democratic society should need to go armed against his fellow citizens." So true. Only one little caveat......."civilized"... yeah ...right.......

Ain't there yet are we....?

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Re: Two arrested at Austin Capitol during open carry rally

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Post by E.Marquez » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:39 pm

bizarrenormality wrote:
E.Marquez wrote:Are you an expert on everything about everything and anything that there is a law restricting?
I'm competent in my chosen profession. It's sad if that's too high a bar for some people.
That's what I thought.. you have higher requirements for others then you do yourself.

If you are an expert in all you do professionally (profession in a same technical varierd as LEO) you are truly above your peers.

If you're an expert in flipping burgers ... or some other non highly technical profession.. it's not really germane to the discussion.
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Re: Two arrested at Austin Capitol during open carry rally

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Post by texanjoker » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:45 pm

bizarrenormality wrote:
texanjoker wrote:LOL They go to make a statement, then cry when they get arrested "rlol" . I like the guys comment about making a "bigger show of it." They wanted the show and got it. They better hope those guns were really exempt. No way for the leo's to know that w/o them cooperating.
LOL. If they can't tell the difference between a cap and ball revolver and a handgun that uses "rim fire or center fire ammunition" maybe they shouldn't be enforcing gun laws in Texas. It sounds like something you expect from California. "rlol"
I don't know about you, but in the video I saw I couldn't tell what they were carrying aside from a pistol in a holster. Maybe in real life it was clear to see what they had, but I couldn't tell via the net. Simple cooperation would have gone a long way. BTW nice try about CA :woohoo

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