ISIS Mall Attack - How can we prepare?

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Re: ISIS Mall Attack - How can we prepare?

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Post by CHLLady » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:55 pm

I watched the mall attack again. I'm stunned, I thought there was more than just 4 gunmen! It seems that I remembered them saying there were many more than that. Incredible.

One thing that I learned from this is the herding effect, everyone running and grouping together. I'm sure it's a natural instinct. Your thoughts?
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CHLLady wrote:I watched the mall attack again. I'm stunned, I thought there was more than just 4 gunmen! It seems that I remembered them saying there were many more than that. Incredible.

One thing that I learned from this is the herding effect, everyone running and grouping together. I'm sure it's a natural instinct. Your thoughts?
You might have been getting it mixed up with the Mumbai attacks back in 2008. I can't find the number of terrorist there, but I'm sure there more than four and possibly dozens.
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Re: ISIS Mall Attack - How can we prepare?

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CHLLady wrote:I watched the mall attack again. I'm stunned, I thought there was more than just 4 gunmen! It seems that I remembered them saying there were many more than that. Incredible.

One thing that I learned from this is the herding effect, everyone running and grouping together. I'm sure it's a natural instinct. Your thoughts?
You might have been getting it mixed up with the Mumbai attacks back in 2008. I can't find the number of terrorist there, but I'm sure there more than four and possibly dozens.
Just found the number. Good grief, only 10 caused so much pain.
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Post by CHLLady » Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:07 pm

It could be!
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Post by CHLLady » Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:48 pm

10 in Mumbai? Stunning.

Does anyone have any comments about running with the herd? Like in Africa, they run in herds to escape the lions. In this case it seems to have drawn more attention to them, especially when they got cornered on the parking deck.
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Post by mayor » Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:55 pm

I have a question: How do CHL holders communicate with each other that "I'm not a BG?"

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Post by Jumping Frog » Fri Oct 10, 2014 5:06 am

mayor wrote:I have a question: How do CHL holders communicate with each other that "I'm not a BG?"
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Re: ISIS Mall Attack - How can we prepare?

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Post by anygunanywhere » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:00 am

Jumping Frog wrote:
mayor wrote:I have a question: How do CHL holders communicate with each other that "I'm not a BG?"
Ahh, . . . . , don't wear a burka? "rlol" "rlol" :smilelol5:
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Re: ISIS Mall Attack - How can we prepare?

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Post by Excaliber » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:04 am

Jumping Frog wrote:
mayor wrote:I have a question: How do CHL holders communicate with each other that "I'm not a BG?"
Ahh, . . . . , don't wear a burka? "rlol" "rlol" :smilelol5:
Skip the black face mask too..... "rlol"

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Post by The Annoyed Man » Fri Oct 10, 2014 2:26 pm

mayor wrote:I have a question: How do CHL holders communicate with each other that "I'm not a BG?"
It's never been easier:
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By the way, I STILL think the best way to guarantee there will be no mall attacks by ISIS is to preemptively blow all the malls up.
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Re: ISIS Mall Attack - How can we prepare?

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Post by sjfcontrol » Fri Oct 10, 2014 2:35 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote:
mayor wrote:I have a question: How do CHL holders communicate with each other that "I'm not a BG?"
It's never been easier:
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By the way, I STILL think the best way to guarantee there will be no mall attacks by ISIS is to preemptively blow all the malls up.
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Re: ISIS Mall Attack - How can we prepare?

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Post by The Annoyed Man » Fri Oct 10, 2014 3:53 pm

sjfcontrol wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:
mayor wrote:I have a question: How do CHL holders communicate with each other that "I'm not a BG?"
It's never been easier:
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By the way, I STILL think the best way to guarantee there will be no mall attacks by ISIS is to preemptively blow all the malls up.
Worked in Nairobi -- hasn't been one there since!
This is what I'm saying! It may be a little counterintuitive, but it is so simple. "rlol"
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Re: ISIS Mall Attack - How can we prepare?

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Post by ELB » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:18 pm

CHLLady wrote:I watched the mall attack again. I'm stunned, I thought there was more than just 4 gunmen! It seems that I remembered them saying there were many more than that. Incredible.
If you are talking about the Nairobi Westgate Mall, you are correct - first reports had numbers like 10 and even 20, IIRC. There were reports that British girl who converted to islamic terrorism, I think they called her the White Widow, might be part of the group. There was a report that a group of terrorists had entered the mall via some underground tunnel that runs through Nairobi. First reports are often (always?) wrong on the details, and often far of the mark.

In the Mumbai attack, there were five groups of two, and they amplified their number by leaving bombs in taxis they used, set to explode after the taxi had dropped them off.

But it does show how just a few people with even minimal plan can cause s lot of confusion, especially if escape is not part of their plan.

It's not just "organized" groups like ISIS etc that can conjure up something like this either. There have been a number of attacks since 2001 by one or two people who were not directly commanded by a recognized terrorist group, but who were inspired or encouraged by the idea of global jihad, islamic terrorism, whatever you want to call it. There was the Beltway Sniper, a recruiting office shot up, the guy at the El Al counter in LA, a small group that planned to hit Fort Dix, I think even the Tsarnov (sp?) brothers were semi-independent - oh and some disaffected major at Ft Hood. I've seen a couple time a list of close to 300 separate attacks since 2001, but because the vast majority did not manage to kill more than one or two, they did not get national coverage. Some of them were true believes, some of them were people who were off in the head to begin with and picked up on a particular ideology, but both kinds kill.

If some of those guys who like to travel from the US to Somalia or Syria to join up with the ISIS types instead decide to stay here and self-organize, we will see a pretty bloody mess, I think. And it doesn't have to be a mall, it can be any place where a number of people gather, school, sports event, concert, and so on. One of the clever parts of the al Qaeda doctrine (or whatever you call it) is to encourage independent actions by fellow travelers and sympathizers throughout the world.
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Post by Running Arrow Bill » Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:50 pm

VERY simple! Keep away from Malls... :patriot:
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Post by tbrown » Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:37 pm

Running Arrow Bill wrote:VERY simple! Keep away from Malls... :patriot:
More importantly, don't go to professional or school sports. After all, it's legal to carry in most malls, and there's usually decent concealment (if not cover) and a variety of escape routes. Sporting events, on the other hand, are full of disarmed sheep herded into enclosures for easy slaughter. :biggrinjester:
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