ISIS Mall Attack - How can we prepare?

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Re: ISIS Mall Attack - How can we prepare?

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Post by The Annoyed Man » Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:20 pm

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Excaliber wrote:Have you noticed that you don't ever see products being delivered to stores via the main hallways in malls?

That's because there is a series of back hallways behind all the stores where these activities take place.

My instruction to my family for an active shooter situation in a mall is to run to the rear of whatever store they're in, go through the door labeled "employees only," go around, over, or through anyone who tries to stop them, and follow the exit signs into the service corridor and out of the building. .

The same plan works for most other stores and restaurants (where you go through the kitchen), except there is no service corridor.
I think this is exactly right--if a terror group posts-up outside mall entrances they are most likely to do so at the major access points and not the emergency/service entries.

Further, if there ARE BGs posted at the service doors, the back storage areas of any small retail store are more likely IMO to serve as decent hiding places than anywhere else in the mall.
Here's some food for thought....

A bad guy enters the mall through an anchor store, goes through a shop into a back corredor, where he opens a door to the outside and lets his cohorts in with all the guns. They hand him his, and they "magically" appear among the shoppers and begin shooting. Video surveillance actually makes it initially harder for first responders to diagnose what's going on, because there is NO FOOTAGE of armed men entering through the JC Penney's, etc.

My point is, exiting through the back hallways and doors is a good strategy, but DON'T take it for granted that there will be no hostile surprises along the way.
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Re: ISIS Mall Attack - How can we prepare?

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Post by simianangel » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:30 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote:
TomsTXCHL wrote:
Excaliber wrote:Have you noticed that you don't ever see products being delivered to stores via the main hallways in malls?

That's because there is a series of back hallways behind all the stores where these activities take place.

My instruction to my family for an active shooter situation in a mall is to run to the rear of whatever store they're in, go through the door labeled "employees only," go around, over, or through anyone who tries to stop them, and follow the exit signs into the service corridor and out of the building. .

The same plan works for most other stores and restaurants (where you go through the kitchen), except there is no service corridor.
I think this is exactly right--if a terror group posts-up outside mall entrances they are most likely to do so at the major access points and not the emergency/service entries.

Further, if there ARE BGs posted at the service doors, the back storage areas of any small retail store are more likely IMO to serve as decent hiding places than anywhere else in the mall.
Here's some food for thought....

A bad guy enters the mall through an anchor store, goes through a shop into a back corredor, where he opens a door to the outside and lets his cohorts in with all the guns. They hand him his, and they "magically" appear among the shoppers and begin shooting. Video surveillance actually makes it initially harder for first responders to diagnose what's going on, because there is NO FOOTAGE of armed men entering through the JC Penney's, etc.

My point is, exiting through the back hallways and doors is a good strategy, but DON'T take it for granted that there will be no hostile surprises along the way.
I remember hearing one of the movie mass murderers come in through the out door. Was that confirmed?

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Post by simianangel » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:32 pm

Cedar Park Dad wrote:In the real world if you're having a multipoint attack on a mall Nigeria style, your best bet is to haul keister. So I guess I'd recommened preparing by practicing wind sprints.
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Post by VoiceofReason » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:41 pm

bigity wrote:Curse allah and/or muhammad?
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Post by simianangel » Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:17 pm

That was a thought provoking video. Thank you for posting it.

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Post by jimlongley » Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:30 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote:
TomsTXCHL wrote:
Excaliber wrote:Have you noticed that you don't ever see products being delivered to stores via the main hallways in malls?

That's because there is a series of back hallways behind all the stores where these activities take place.

My instruction to my family for an active shooter situation in a mall is to run to the rear of whatever store they're in, go through the door labeled "employees only," go around, over, or through anyone who tries to stop them, and follow the exit signs into the service corridor and out of the building. .

The same plan works for most other stores and restaurants (where you go through the kitchen), except there is no service corridor.
I think this is exactly right--if a terror group posts-up outside mall entrances they are most likely to do so at the major access points and not the emergency/service entries.

Further, if there ARE BGs posted at the service doors, the back storage areas of any small retail store are more likely IMO to serve as decent hiding places than anywhere else in the mall.
Here's some food for thought....

A bad guy enters the mall through an anchor store, goes through a shop into a back corredor, where he opens a door to the outside and lets his cohorts in with all the guns. They hand him his, and they "magically" appear among the shoppers and begin shooting. Video surveillance actually makes it initially harder for first responders to diagnose what's going on, because there is NO FOOTAGE of armed men entering through the JC Penney's, etc.

My point is, exiting through the back hallways and doors is a good strategy, but DON'T take it for granted that there will be no hostile surprises along the way.
As I telephone man I spent a lot of time in those back corridors. Not all stores have them, but I always try to stay aware of their locations and incorporate them in any exit tactics I might anticipate.
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Re: ISIS Mall Attack - How can we prepare?

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Post by Excaliber » Fri Sep 26, 2014 7:07 am

simianangel wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:
TomsTXCHL wrote:
Excaliber wrote:Have you noticed that you don't ever see products being delivered to stores via the main hallways in malls?

That's because there is a series of back hallways behind all the stores where these activities take place.

My instruction to my family for an active shooter situation in a mall is to run to the rear of whatever store they're in, go through the door labeled "employees only," go around, over, or through anyone who tries to stop them, and follow the exit signs into the service corridor and out of the building. .

The same plan works for most other stores and restaurants (where you go through the kitchen), except there is no service corridor.
I think this is exactly right--if a terror group posts-up outside mall entrances they are most likely to do so at the major access points and not the emergency/service entries.

Further, if there ARE BGs posted at the service doors, the back storage areas of any small retail store are more likely IMO to serve as decent hiding places than anywhere else in the mall.
Here's some food for thought....

A bad guy enters the mall through an anchor store, goes through a shop into a back corredor, where he opens a door to the outside and lets his cohorts in with all the guns. They hand him his, and they "magically" appear among the shoppers and begin shooting. Video surveillance actually makes it initially harder for first responders to diagnose what's going on, because there is NO FOOTAGE of armed men entering through the JC Penney's, etc.

My point is, exiting through the back hallways and doors is a good strategy, but DON'T take it for granted that there will be no hostile surprises along the way.
I remember hearing one of the movie mass murderers come in through the out door. Was that confirmed?
Yes. Aurora, CO.
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Post by RoyGBiv » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:53 am

healthinsp wrote:Along these same lines, how do you let the good guys know you aren't a bad guy?
bigity wrote:Curse allah and/or muhammad?
Yell.... "Aloha Snackbar"

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Post by Jumping Frog » Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:42 pm

RoyGBiv wrote:Yell.... "Aloha Snackbar"

"rlol"
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Post by flytoride » Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:43 pm

mr surveyor wrote:Longview mall is 30.06

It's okay; no one goes there anyway. :smilelol5:

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Post by ELB » Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:02 pm

AndyC wrote:We lived in siege-conditions in South Africa for decades, and life just has to go on.

Weigh the risk, carry everywhere you can (and carry alternate weapons when you can't). Know your exits, note cover and concealment, protect your family first, protect yourself and others if you can, die like a Viking if you have to.
Nice summation. Can I add one piece of advice?

Wear some decent footwear.

Something that's not going to fall off and will let you dash through terrain that is no longer flat and smooth and obstacle free.

Every time I see pictures of some mass ugly event, there are shoes and flipflops laying everywhere, and people (mostly dead in the pics) barefoot or sock-footed. It doesn't matter whether it is a terrorist attack or a big fire or what, people where comfy-slob outfits with sandals or crocs or some such, and then end up running through broken glass and rubble. Or not running once they carve up their feet. /endrant.
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Post by Panzer Possum » Sat Sep 27, 2014 9:37 am

RoyGBiv wrote:Yell.... "Aloha Snackbar"
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Post by Abraham » Sat Sep 27, 2014 11:35 am

ELB,

Your footwear advice is spot on.

Except for when I'm cycling, I wear all leather, Vasque Sundowner boots.

I wore them hiking off trail in Big Bend National Park and never had an issue with the stabbing plant life everywhere I walked and if I had to, I could run in them much like I use to wearing combat boots in the Army. (though my right knee ain't what it used to be with meniscus surgery, but I digress...)

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Post by The Annoyed Man » Sat Sep 27, 2014 11:55 am

Jumping Frog wrote:
RoyGBiv wrote:Yell.... "Aloha Snackbar"

"rlol"
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Post by Dadtodabone » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:07 am

The Annoyed Man wrote:
Jumping Frog wrote:
RoyGBiv wrote:Yell.... "Aloha Snackbar"

"rlol"
Infidel!! Wolverine!!! :biggrinjester:
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