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Badger Gun Shop Loses Suit

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Post by Schleprock » Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:08 pm

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/gun- ... s-34453798

I don't know the history of the gun shop involved but coming off the heels of the Democratic debate, I wonder how this will play out?

It would seem that there can be several sides of this argument. First, that the gun maker/seller is responsible.
Headline-- Cain kills Abel... The Creator found negligent for creating rocks???? (said with no disrespect intended...)
Second, the person pulling the trigger is responsible (as it should be).
Insert Beretta's theme song-- "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, no, don't do it"
Third, with the success of this lawsuit, I'm certain I could be wrong but could it be argued that not allowing a method for self defense could be cause for civil action.
Picture your favorite attorney "My client's family member was harmed as a result of your company's no weapons policy"...

What do you guys think?


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Post by cprems » Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:30 pm

I see this being reversed on appeal. You can't hold a car manufacturer or a dealership responsible for a drunk driver killing a family.

There is also that pesky Federal law that prohibits suits against firearms dealers and manufacturers.
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Post by C-dub » Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:21 am

Weren't we discussing this in another thread? If what I've read about this case is correct, then I'm not so sure I disagree with them losing this suit. If the guy who the gun was really for was feeding the guy filling out the form and purchasing it then it really was a straw purchase and the shop shouldn't have sold it to them. Not based on any theory that the real buyer was going to do something bad, but just that it was obvious that this was a straw purchase. No?

Didn't the purchaser also require another form because he mistakenly put down the other guy's address? There must have also been other signs.
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Post by longhorn86 » Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:54 am

I saw something on the news last night that the purchaser apparently answered no on the first question on the 4473. That should have stopped the sale..
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Post by b4aftr » Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:14 am

"Authorities have said more than 500 firearms recovered from crime scenes had been traced back to Badger Guns and Badger Outdoors, making it the "No. 1 crime gun dealer in America," according to a 2005 charging document from an unrelated case.

Norberg and Kunisch cited that detail in their lawsuit, saying it showed a history of negligence"

Seems like the gun shop does whatever to make a sale. Article also stated they are on their third name change. Places like this can get away with it in a sense over and over and if it were me I'd been nailed to the wall the first time.

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Post by Swoops1 » Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:28 am

From what little bit I've read and saw on the news they shouldn't have sold the gun and evidently the evidence was there for the jury. Sounds like they should have lost their license a while back.

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Post by AndyC » Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:21 am

b4aftr wrote:Seems like the gun shop does whatever to make a sale.
That's the impression I got. If it's true, we certainly don't need FFLs like that around.
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Post by ron_houston » Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:30 am

I read a very long detailed article in Google news today about this case and all of you above that agree with this ruling are basically correct.
This dealer was dealing through straw purchasers and the documented +/- 500 guns from this store used in crimes.
I think the obvious question should be "how the hell did they do it for so long?" without BATF revoking their license. I'm thinking that particular BATF agent is now in an office in Van Horn, TX.

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Post by VMI77 » Wed Oct 14, 2015 9:35 am

ron_houston wrote:I read a very long detailed article in Google news today about this case and all of you above that agree with this ruling are basically correct.
This dealer was dealing through straw purchasers and the documented +/- 500 guns from this store used in crimes.
I think the obvious question should be "how the heck did they do it for so long?" without BATF revoking their license. I'm thinking that particular BATF agent is now in an office in Van Horn, TX.
You're talking about the ATF....maybe this is one of their gun walking stores. The Obama administration intervened in the suit on behalf of the gun store. They say they were just upholding the law as written...... "rlol" Yeah, the Obama administration is all about upholding the law. :smilelol5:

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For an administration that has vowed to end the scourge of gun violence, this is the last place you'd expect to find the Obama Justice Department: coming to the aid of one of the nation's most notorious gun dealers. But this is precisely what's happening in Wisconsin, where the Obama administration, in defending a federal statute, has wound up on the side of a gun shop that is being sued by police officers injured by firearms illegally purchased from the store.
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Post by jimlongley » Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:19 am

OK, now I am looking for an attorney to represent me in my suit against the car dealership that sold the car to the drunk that hit me and left me with permanent damage to my left hand. Anyone catch the name of the lawyer in this case??? :biggrinjester:
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Post by Taypo » Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:22 am

jimlongley wrote:OK, now I am looking for an attorney to represent me in my suit against the car dealership that sold the car to the drunk that hit me and left me with permanent damage to my left hand. Anyone catch the name of the lawyer in this case??? :biggrinjester:
Unless the car dealership is participating in a plan to let drunks buy cars so the ATF can do what they do, you're probably out of luck ;)

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Post by b4aftr » Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:24 pm

Think of a bar that knowingly over sells to a drunk then said fellar hits and seriously injured/kills someone. Bar gets in serious trouble if there are witnesses, etc.

If I were a betting man id put money on the straw purchasers aren't the only ones getting paid a kickback to buy the gun.

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Post by E10 » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:59 pm

ron_houston wrote: I'm thinking that particular BATF agent is now in an office in Van Horn, TX.
Some of us might consider Van Horn a vast improvement over Milwaukee, and maybe even Houston, too.

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