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Re: This is why I will not own any Apple products!

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:30 am
by TomsTXCHL
Bitter Clinger wrote:
TomsTXCHL wrote:
Bitter Clinger wrote:Did you really, intentionally mean to equate me with Barack Hussein Obama?
You think the govt should have access, he thinks the govt should have access.

Tell us how you are different?
Since you obviously failed Logic 101, let's use this as a teaching moment
Actually, I aced logic in college so I have apparently misunderstood your position, or you have failed to properly explain it.

Perhaps you will clarify, as the thrust of your subject is that you side with the Govt against Apple in this matter.

No thinking American will do this!

Re: This is why I will not own any Apple products!

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:04 am
by WildBill
Come on guys. This is politics and logic has no place.

Re: This is why I will not own any Apple products!

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:10 am
by Bitter Clinger
TomsTXCHL wrote:
Bitter Clinger wrote:
TomsTXCHL wrote:
Bitter Clinger wrote:Did you really, intentionally mean to equate me with Barack Hussein Obama?
You think the govt should have access, he thinks the govt should have access.

Tell us how you are different?
Since you obviously failed Logic 101, let's use this as a teaching moment
Actually, I aced logic in college so I have apparently misunderstood your position, or you have failed to properly explain it.

Perhaps you will clarify, as the thrust of your subject is that you side with the Govt against Apple in this matter.

No thinking American will do this!
Really? And yet you would propose such an apparently absolute belief? If you believe that the government is either all good or all bad, you probably feel good because you can cease to think. I assume that this is a comfort for you, as you can now feel assured and in control. If you have decided that a group of people are all bad, then all you have to do is stay away from them and once they are all gone life would be better, right? I would certainly agree that government has become far too large and far too over-reaching. But it still has its place - I hope Cruz is elected and he follows through on his pledge to eliminate some 500+ Federal agencies, including the IRS!

This thread drove quite a bit of spirited debate, some of it quite thoughtful, some of it perhaps not quite as, but a good debate in any event. The majority of us can disagree without being disagreeable.

So, without yet again :deadhorse:, yes, my opinion is that the data in the dead terrorist's phone, that phone belonging to San Bernadino govt, should be turned over in case there is any information in there that could prevent the death of more innocent civilians.

YMMV. That does not put me in the same category as Barack Hussein Obama - according to LOGIC.

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Re: This is why I will not own any Apple products!

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:33 am
by Bitter Clinger
WildBill wrote:Come on guys. This is politics and logic has no place.
That is quite logical IMHO. :cheers2:

Re: This is why I will not own any Apple products!

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:45 am
by cyphertext
Bitter Clinger wrote:
So, without yet again :deadhorse:, yes, my opinion is that the data in the dead terrorist's phone, that phone belonging to San Bernadino govt, should be turned over in case there is any information in there that could prevent the death of more innocent civilians.

YMMV. That does not put me in the same category as Barack Hussein Obama - according to LOGIC.
Actually, it does.... at least on this issue. :reddevil

Re: This is why I will not own any Apple products!

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:25 am
by TomsTXCHL
Bitter Clinger wrote:The majority of us can disagree without being disagreeable.
Wow, talk about being disagreeable!?!?!

You side with the govt and BHO. That is why you will not own any Apple products. I get it.

Re: This is why I will not own any Apple products!

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:40 am
by Bitter Clinger
TomsTXCHL wrote:
Bitter Clinger wrote:The majority of us can disagree without being disagreeable.
Wow, talk about being disagreeable!?!?!

You side with the govt and BHO. That is why you will not own any Apple products. I get it.
Well let's see Mr. "I aced Logic" "rlol" . On Wed Feb 17, 2016 @ 10:02 am YOU wrote:

If it is possible for Apple to cooperate with that investigation without revealing their encryption methods to gov't, then maybe they should cooperate.
And your point is?

I am sure that you will need you have the last word as well, so have at it. :waiting:

Re: This is why I will not own any Apple products!

Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 11:14 pm
by SA_Steve
Now they are going after "Whatsapp" for supporting end to end voice and message encryption.

An article I read recently revealed that there are at least 200 encryption apps for smartphones or PC's, half sold by US companies ( and some developed with tax money / gov research support ) and the rest sold by companies outside the US.

You cannot put the encryption genie back in the bottle.

Re: This is why I will not own any Apple products!

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:10 am
by TomsTXCHL
Bitter Clinger wrote:
TomsTXCHL wrote:
Bitter Clinger wrote:The majority of us can disagree without being disagreeable.
Wow, talk about being disagreeable!?!?!

You side with the govt and BHO. That is why you will not own any Apple products. I get it.
Well let's see Mr. "I aced Logic" "rlol" . On Wed Feb 17, 2016 @ 10:02 am YOU wrote:

If it is possible for Apple to cooperate with that investigation without revealing their encryption methods to gov't, then maybe they should cooperate.
And your point is?

I am sure that you will need you have the last word as well, so have at it. :waiting:
Wrong again sir--TAM wrote that, not me.

Carry on.

:banghead:

Re: This is why I will not own any Apple products!

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:43 am
by Keith B
OK folks, keep the discussions civil or the topic will be locked. :rules:

Re: This is why I will not own any Apple products!

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:00 pm
by WildBill
Just saw that "an outside party" will unlock the phone, so Apple is off the hook.

I guess it must not have been encrypted as well as some people thought.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/22/techn ... phone.html

Re: This is why I will not own any Apple products!

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:05 pm
by Bitter Clinger
WildBill wrote:Just saw that "an outside party" will unlock the phone, so Apple is off the hook.

I guess it must not have been encrypted as well as some people thought.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/22/techn ... phone.html
I started a new thread as this one was getting too long and I wanted to give TomsTXCHL a fresh pallette with which to trash me personally:

See viewtopic.php?f=94&t=83351

Re: This is why I will not own any Apple products!

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:08 pm
by WildBill
Bitter Clinger wrote:
WildBill wrote:Just saw that "an outside party" will unlock the phone, so Apple is off the hook.

I guess it must not have been encrypted as well as some people thought.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/22/techn ... phone.html
I started a new thread as this one was getting too long and I wanted to give TomsTXCHL a fresh pallette with which to trash me personally.

See viewtopic.php?f=94&t=83351
Okay, consider yourself trashed! :tiphat:

Re: This is why I will not own any Apple products!

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:47 pm
by Bitter Clinger