FBI may have found way to unlock San Bernardino attacker's iPhone

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FBI may have found way to unlock San Bernardino attacker's iPhone

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Post by Bitter Clinger » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:02 pm

A federal judge canceled a hearing Tuesday in the legal battle to force Apple to break into an encrypted iPhone used by one of the San Bernadino attackers, after federal officials said in a court filing they may have found another way to access the device.

In a filing late Monday, federal prosecutors said "an outside party" has come forward and shown the FBI a possible method for unlocking the phone used by one of the shooters in the Dec. 2 terror attack...

The government has countered that Apple could create the software for one phone, retain it during the process to protect itself, then destroy it. Apple has said that creating software is a form of speech and being forced to do so violates its First Amendment rights.

FBI Director James Comey rejected talk of seeking a "master key" and said his agency just wanted Apple to remove its "vicious guard dog" so it can pick the lock.

Law enforcement organizations have weighed in on the side of the Justice Department and called on Apple to help in the investigation.
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Post by WildBill » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:07 pm

Just saw that "an outside party" will unlock the phone, so Apple is off the hook.

I guess it must not have been encrypted as well as some people thought.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/22/techn ... phone.html
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Post by Turban cowboy » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:18 pm

I don't understand why the director couldn't pick up the phone and call the NSA?

Ok Maybe they can't access what is in the phone, but Isn't there metadata or other "traces" that can show what was sent to and from this particular phone? :confused5


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Post by Turban cowboy » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:20 pm

WildBill wrote:Just saw that "an outside party" will unlock the phone, so Apple is off the hook.

I guess it must not have been encrypted as well as some people thought.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/22/techn ... phone.html
Curious to see if that "third party" was John McAfee :rolll

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Post by suthdj » Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:11 pm

Or maybe this is all theater.
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Post by SA_Steve » Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:38 pm

As usual, it will be a few weeks before the truth comes out. If ever.
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Post by GeekwithaGun » Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:47 am

suthdj wrote:Or maybe this is all theater.
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Post by DocV » Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:25 am

Turban cowboy wrote:
WildBill wrote:Just saw that "an outside party" will unlock the phone, so Apple is off the hook.

I guess it must not have been encrypted as well as some people thought.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/22/techn ... phone.html
Curious to see if that "third party" was John McAfee :rolll
uhm... no ... I will avoid posting a link to the articles as I do not want to expose readers to profanities; however, John has admitted he was lying about being able to unlock the iPhone. My guess is the data was recoverable via the cloud.
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Post by Bitter Clinger » Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:05 pm

In WSJ today it is now being reported that Apple does indeed possess the solution, I guess that they simply refuse to implement. Maybe Cook and Hillary can double bunk in the Federal pen. :evil2:
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Post by Keith B » Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:18 pm

The issue was not that the Government wanted the one phone unlocked, they wanted the solution to unlock ANY iPhone at their whim. Apple didn't want to provide that for them. On a case by case basis then I agree that they should do it with a warrant. For the anytime they wanted whole enchilada, then I agree with Apple on no bueno.
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Post by Bitter Clinger » Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:39 pm

Keith B wrote:The issue was not that the Government wanted the one phone unlocked, they wanted the solution to unlock ANY iPhone at their whim. Apple didn't want to provide that for them. On a case by case basis then I agree that they should do it with a warrant. For the anytime they wanted whole enchilada, then I agree with Apple on no bueno.
Not true Keith. Read the article. You are simply repeating Apple propaganda.
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Post by Keith B » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:13 pm

Bitter Clinger wrote:
Keith B wrote:The issue was not that the Government wanted the one phone unlocked, they wanted the solution to unlock ANY iPhone at their whim. Apple didn't want to provide that for them. On a case by case basis then I agree that they should do it with a warrant. For the anytime they wanted whole enchilada, then I agree with Apple on no bueno.
Not true Keith. Read the article. You are simply repeating Apple propaganda.
The Government wanted to be present and know the method for breaking the encryption on the phone, which would essentially allow other phones to be potentially broken. Apple balked at that. I believe if they had allowed Apple to break into the one phone without having to release the method or be 'overseen', then it would have been more acceptable to Apple up front. Since they didn't, then Apple has refused completely to do it.
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Post by Bitter Clinger » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:20 pm

Keith B wrote:
Bitter Clinger wrote:
Keith B wrote:The issue was not that the Government wanted the one phone unlocked, they wanted the solution to unlock ANY iPhone at their whim. Apple didn't want to provide that for them. On a case by case basis then I agree that they should do it with a warrant. For the anytime they wanted whole enchilada, then I agree with Apple on no bueno.
Not true Keith. Read the article. You are simply repeating Apple propaganda.
The Government wanted to be present and know the method for breaking the encryption on the phone, which would essentially allow other phones to be potentially broken. Apple balked at that. I believe if they had allowed Apple to break into the one phone without having to release the method or be 'overseen', then it would have been more acceptable to Apple up front. Since they didn't, then Apple has refused completely to do it.
Mere speculation I'm afraid.
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Post by Keith B » Tue Mar 22, 2016 5:41 pm

Bitter Clinger wrote:
Keith B wrote:
Bitter Clinger wrote:
Keith B wrote:The issue was not that the Government wanted the one phone unlocked, they wanted the solution to unlock ANY iPhone at their whim. Apple didn't want to provide that for them. On a case by case basis then I agree that they should do it with a warrant. For the anytime they wanted whole enchilada, then I agree with Apple on no bueno.
Not true Keith. Read the article. You are simply repeating Apple propaganda.
The Government wanted to be present and know the method for breaking the encryption on the phone, which would essentially allow other phones to be potentially broken. Apple balked at that. I believe if they had allowed Apple to break into the one phone without having to release the method or be 'overseen', then it would have been more acceptable to Apple up front. Since they didn't, then Apple has refused completely to do it.
Mere speculation I'm afraid.
As is yours and the article. However, I do have come inside info on encryption and Apple's views on the iPhone as I am retired from the company that used to have exclusivity and our team was the global Tier III support and R&D side.
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Post by Bitter Clinger » Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:47 am

Keith B wrote:
Bitter Clinger wrote:
Keith B wrote:
Bitter Clinger wrote:
Keith B wrote:The issue was not that the Government wanted the one phone unlocked, they wanted the solution to unlock ANY iPhone at their whim. Apple didn't want to provide that for them. On a case by case basis then I agree that they should do it with a warrant. For the anytime they wanted whole enchilada, then I agree with Apple on no bueno.
Not true Keith. Read the article. You are simply repeating Apple propaganda.
The Government wanted to be present and know the method for breaking the encryption on the phone, which would essentially allow other phones to be potentially broken. Apple balked at that. I believe if they had allowed Apple to break into the one phone without having to release the method or be 'overseen', then it would have been more acceptable to Apple up front. Since they didn't, then Apple has refused completely to do it.
Mere speculation I'm afraid.
As is yours and the article. However, I do have come inside info on encryption and Apple's views on the iPhone as I am retired from the company that used to have exclusivity and our team was the global Tier III support and R&D side.
Then you should know that we can't discuss what forms our opinions. But sounds like your info is dated, and as you are aware, I believe you are on the wrong side of this debate. We will have to agree to disagree. Apple looks no different to me than a typical liberal European group such as the ones who bear responsibility for the successful attack yesterday in Belgium.
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