Retired military commanders urge Congress to address 'gun violence crisis'

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Retired military commanders urge Congress to address 'gun violence crisis'

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Post by bblhd672 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:18 am

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/natio ... 71202.html
The group is part of the veterans coalition of a gun control group founded by former U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and her husband, Mark Kelly. They laid out their arguments in a letter they plan to send to Congressional leaders.
Apparently even though they swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, they do not understand nor care about it's content.

Political hacks, not honorable protectors of the country and it's citizens.


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Post by Soccerdad1995 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:33 am

I hadn't realized that guns had become self aware, much less that they have started to commit violence against humans. Sounds like we all need to start arming ourselves and ensuring that we keep all guns locked up when they are not in sight.
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Post by BBYC » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:29 pm

Maybe it's time to disarm the military?
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Post by Soccerdad1995 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:02 pm

BBYC wrote:Maybe it's time to disarm the military?
That's a good point. How can we knowingly endanger the lives of our best and brightest by having them near so many violent guns?
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Post by stroo » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:09 pm

These are the the same guys who won't allow their men to have weapons on base leading to atrocities like Fort Hood. These guys should have no credibility on 2nd Amendment issues.


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Post by wil » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:32 pm

People seem to think that simply because someone currently serves, or has in the past served, in the military. That doing so inherently instills within that person moral courage & consequently intellectual self-honesty.

it does not.


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Post by rotor » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:40 pm

In no way do I mean to be offensive to anyone on this forum but we should realize that getting to the top in the military is a true exercise in the Peter Principle and kissing you know what. The best tend to leave early before they get to the top (I left as an 0-5). I have very little respect for most of those with high rank. Some may be great but I personally haven't met them. None of my superiors would have been able to hold a civilian position of authority. Their views and positions have no value and should not be taken seriously.

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Post by Jeff B. » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:02 pm

Here's my note for the comments section...

"To use the words of Colonel David Hackworth, the Perfumed Princes speak. Statists, one and all. No surprise to see Snakeater Stan out there calling for a disarmed public. The Officers I was privileged to serve under believed in the American Citizen and their Rights under the Constitution, recognized by man, granted by God."

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Post by OlBill » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:42 pm

wil wrote:People seem to think that simply because someone currently serves, or has in the past served, in the military. That doing so inherently instills within that person moral courage & consequently intellectual self-honesty.

it does not.
Well said.


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Post by OlBill » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:43 pm

BBYC wrote:Maybe it's time to disarm the military?
The military has been disarmed for years.


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Post by GreenMan0352 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:46 pm

wil wrote:People seem to think that simply because someone currently serves, or has in the past served, in the military. That doing so inherently instills within that person moral courage & consequently intellectual self-honesty.

it does not.

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Absolutely! Thats why terms like Blue Falcon exist, where buddy is only half the word. I knew plenty of dirt bags in the Marines. I wish I could say its only a POG thing but grunts have just as many. As another member stated also that the higher rank you get usually means selling your integrity and doing things you shouldn’t. Its sad but true. We should not base our decisions off of rank, but rather off or morals and character. Facts do not care how they make you feel, so why do we cater to a bunch of baby cries with FALSE claims?


There are an estimated 310 million firearms in America so if things are as bad as we are told why so few mass shootings compared to number of firearms? Also what exactly is a mass shooting? Some of these media libtards categorize 2 victims whether dead or not as a mass shootings. Even when some of these supposed mass shootings are actually terror driven by a certain religion. Yet its the guns fault not a religions fault.


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Post by OlBill » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:01 pm

Jeff B. wrote:Here's my note for the comments section...

"To use the words of Colonel David Hackworth, the Perfumed Princes speak. Statists, one and all. No surprise to see Snakeater Stan out there calling for a disarmed public. The Officers I was privileged to serve under believed in the American Citizen and their Rights under the Constitution, recognized by man, granted by God."

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Post by dlh » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:03 pm

Jeff B. wrote:Here's my note for the comments section...

"To use the words of Colonel David Hackworth, the Perfumed Princes speak. Statists, one and all. No surprise to see Snakeater Stan out there calling for a disarmed public. The Officers I was privileged to serve under believed in the American Citizen and their Rights under the Constitution, recognized by man, granted by God."

Jeff B.
Colonel Hackworth's books are a great read. The one by "Stormin Norman" good too. Both give insight into what happens at the Pentagon and what you have to do to get there.

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Post by Jeff B. » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:09 pm

You guys are right...

Don’t get the wrong idea from my words, there ARE Officers and Flag Officers that ARE Worth a hoot, maybe not as many as before, but I believe like the backbone of the military, the professional NCO, they are still there.

I’ve know, served with and under some great men.

If your a Progressive, my time dates to back before there were many females in Senior Leadership...

No offense meant to females in the military.

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Post by OlBill » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:14 pm

Jeff B. wrote:You guys are right...

Don’t get the wrong idea from my words, there ARE Officers and Flag Officers that ARE Worth a hoot, maybe not as many as before, but I believe like the backbone of the military, the professional NCO, they are still there.

I’ve know, served with and under some great men.

If your a Progressive, my time dates to back before there were many females in Senior Leadership...

No offense meant to females in the military.

Jeff B.
The system is designed for conformity, not character.

The SGM ranks are fast becoming the same way.

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