Can it be?: We may lose more gun rights under Trump than Obama?

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Re: Can it be?: We may lose more gun rights under Trump than Obama?

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Post by SQLGeek » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:56 pm

roadkill wrote:And then there’s this.
President Trump Asks Dianne Feinstein to Add ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban to School Safety Bill

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... fety-bill/
Whoa. :shock:
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Re: Can it be?: We may lose more gun rights under Trump than Obama?

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Post by Liberty » Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:23 am

But, But ....
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Re: Can it be?: We may lose more gun rights under Trump than Obama?

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Post by Ruark » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:41 am

There's a lot of speculation that Trump's just playing them, it's all one of his clever acts, and he has no intention of letting it pass. If he IS serious, he's toast.
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Re: Can it be?: We may lose more gun rights under Trump than Obama?

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Post by Syntyr » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:19 am

SQLGeek wrote:
roadkill wrote:And then there’s this.
President Trump Asks Dianne Feinstein to Add ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban to School Safety Bill

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... fety-bill/
Whoa. :shock:
Yep. Look at the absolute glee on Feinstein's face when Trump announces there should be an assault weapons ban. She claps her hands and smiles. She almost jumps in her chair.

http://youtu.be/PfZvj0_O_Jc
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Re: Can it be?: We may lose more gun rights under Trump than Obama?

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Post by TexasJohnBoy » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:19 am

Ruark wrote:There's a lot of speculation that Trump's just playing them, it's all one of his clever acts, and he has no intention of letting it pass. If he IS serious, he's toast.
Even if he's playing them, he's playing with fire while sitting next to a 55 gallon drum of kerosene. I don't have a huge sample, but from what I've seen people aren't impressed with what he was saying yesterday.
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Re: Can it be?: We may lose more gun rights under Trump than Obama?

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Post by imkopaka » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:23 am

TexasJohnBoy wrote:
Ruark wrote:There's a lot of speculation that Trump's just playing them, it's all one of his clever acts, and he has no intention of letting it pass. If he IS serious, he's toast.
Even if he's playing them, he's playing with fire while sitting next to a 55 gallon drum of kerosene. I don't have a huge sample, but from what I've seen people aren't impressed with what he was saying yesterday.
Same. I posted on Facebook about it and got an unusual amount of profanity directed at Trump from conservative friends who don't typically comment on my posts. The BEST reaction I got was one of optimistic exasperation. I had one friend so irritated about Trump's comments on national reciprocity that he about threw his phone lol
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Re: Can it be?: We may lose more gun rights under Trump than Obama?

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Post by anygunanywhere » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:37 am

Syntyr wrote:
SQLGeek wrote:
roadkill wrote:And then there’s this.
President Trump Asks Dianne Feinstein to Add ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban to School Safety Bill

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... fety-bill/
Whoa. :shock:
Yep. Look at the absolute glee on Feinstein's face when Trump announces there should be an assault weapons ban. She claps her hands and smiles. She almost jumps in her chair.

http://youtu.be/PfZvj0_O_Jc
That video made me throw up in my mouth a lot.
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Re: Can it be?: We may lose more gun rights under Trump than Obama?

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Post by imkopaka » Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:10 am

anygunanywhere wrote:
Syntyr wrote:
SQLGeek wrote:
roadkill wrote:And then there’s this.
President Trump Asks Dianne Feinstein to Add ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban to School Safety Bill

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... fety-bill/
Whoa. :shock:
Yep. Look at the absolute glee on Feinstein's face when Trump announces there should be an assault weapons ban. She claps her hands and smiles. She almost jumps in her chair.

http://youtu.be/PfZvj0_O_Jc
That video made me throw up in my mouth a lot.

I almost wonder if he's just throwing everything into one giant Frankenstein bill that's so bloated with garbage it could never pass in a republican-controlled congress. "Add that in, add this in" yet he commented that national reciprocity needed to be removed for the rest of that bill to pass. Maybe he knows combination bills are almost certain to fail, so he's combining all of these awful anti-gun bill into a Hindenburg? Here's hoping...
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Re: Can it be?: We may lose more gun rights under Trump than Obama?

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Post by Scott B. » Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:32 am

I don't want to fight, but this is what happens when you have no core principles or values. Trump will always be at heart, a New York big city plutocrat. I'm sure wiser voices are pulling him back from the edge on this one, but it won't be the last time.

On balance, he's been a win on policy and govt red tape. But, he's going to give you heart attacks from time to time if you expect him to be any thing other than what he is.
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Post by flowrie » Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:34 am

I am thinking he asked the republicans to add national reciprocity to any bill with an AR ban, even if he publicly states to remove national reciprocity.
The dems will vote against it and then he can say it was the dems fault for not passing it.
I agree, he is playing with fire, but he is who he is, it’s what he does.
Guess we will find out, if he signs an AR ban, then he won’t be re-elected.
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Re: Can it be?: We may lose more gun rights under Trump than Obama?

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Post by jason812 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:45 am

flowrie wrote:I am thinking he asked the republicans to add national reciprocity to any bill with an AR ban, even if he publicly states to remove national reciprocity.
The dems will vote against it and then he can say it was the dems fault for not passing it.
I agree, he is playing with fire, but he is who he is, it’s what he does.
Guess we will find out, if he signs an AR ban, then he won’t be re-elected.
This is my hope. He is going to have the dems sabotage their own bill. It might work or it might backfire terribly. If that's not what he is doing, forum rules won't let me comment any further.

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Re: Can it be?: We may lose more gun rights under Trump than Obama?

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Post by DocV » Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:54 am

carlson1 wrote:
TexasJohnBoy wrote:http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... ess-second

Trump: 'Take the guns first, go through due process second'

This is by far the biggest problem statement from today
That act should have the same or similar process as a warrant to take away your 4th amendment.
:iagree: with fear and trembling.
He can never walk back this statement attacking the 5th and 2nd to my satisfaction. I "unsubscribed" to his two-a-day requests for contributions.
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Re: Can it be?: We may lose more gun rights under Trump than Obama?

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Post by The Annoyed Man » Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:07 pm

DocV wrote:
carlson1 wrote:
TexasJohnBoy wrote:http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... ess-second

Trump: 'Take the guns first, go through due process second'

This is by far the biggest problem statement from today
That act should have the same or similar process as a warrant to take away your 4th amendment.
:iagree: with fear and trembling.
He can never walk back this statement attacking the 5th and 2nd to my satisfaction. I "unsubscribed" to his two-a-day requests for contributions.
I just came here to post basically the same story - but from the Daily Wire (https://www.dailywire.com/news/27706/be ... en-shapiro). If they pull this crap, I will never vote for another republican candidate again - at ANY level. Period. Since 2012, I’ve been a libertarian-leaning independent, and proud of being an independent. But if they pass this ....... if it even gets out of committee ..... I am all in with the Libertarian Party, and the GOP can pitch woo to my considerable posterior.
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Re: Can it be?: We may lose more gun rights under Trump than Obama?

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Post by Ruark » Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:32 pm

Trump after Sen. Toomey says gun control bill didn't include changing age restrictions: "You know why, because you're afraid of the NRA."
So now he's ridiculing Republican senators for being "afraid of the NRA"? Unbelievable. Whatever happened to "my first day in office, those gun-free zones will disappear"?

Maybe he's not even PLANNING to run for re-election. Maybe he doesn't want to. It's often said he never wanted to be president in the first place.

This guy comes across like a "car salesman." He just smiles and nods and shakes hands and agrees with everybody he meets, saying whatever will make them like him.
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Re: Can it be?: We may lose more gun rights under Trump than Obama?

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Post by Soccerdad1995 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:56 pm

Ruark wrote:
Trump after Sen. Toomey says gun control bill didn't include changing age restrictions: "You know why, because you're afraid of the NRA."
So now he's ridiculing Republican senators for being "afraid of the NRA"? Unbelievable. Whatever happened to "my first day in office, those gun-free zones will disappear"?

Maybe he's not even PLANNING to run for re-election. Maybe he doesn't want to. It's often said he never wanted to be president in the first place.

This guy comes across like a "car salesman." He just smiles and nods and shakes hands and agrees with everybody he meets, saying whatever will make them like him.
Trump is counting on his base not deserting him regardless of what he does. He believes that he has 1/3 of the voters locked up, while 1/3 of the voters will never vote for him regardless. He is trying to get more of the middle 1/3 to get over 50% in total. But he has miscalculated, IMHO. His base will not stand with him after this crap he is pulling now. I for one, am done. And I mean done. I can tolerate insults and stupid comments. Those are just words. But actions have consequences and he is screwing around with the rights that form the foundation of our very system of government.
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