Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Post by SQLGeek » Wed May 02, 2018 6:38 pm

strogg wrote:In Texas, "trained" would be people who know some amount of Texas law and are able to shoot somewhere near the middle of a giant sheet of paper. It's not difficult. So constitutional carry in a state like Oklahoma where the gun culture is woven into society? Works for me. But if constitutional carry would be passed in a state like California, I'd honestly be worried. Not that I don't trust the typical gun owner in CA, but there are enough crazies there that it genuinely would be a problem. Just my $.02 on the issue.
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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Post by Flightmare » Thu May 03, 2018 11:43 am

http://www.news9.com/story/38101214/ok- ... sday-night
Senate Bill 1212 is one step closer to becoming law as it moves to Governor Fallin’s desk for her signature.
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Flightmare wrote:http://www.news9.com/story/38101214/ok- ... sday-night
Senate Bill 1212 is one step closer to becoming law as it moves to Governor Fallin’s desk for her signature.
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Post by chasfm11 » Fri May 04, 2018 5:47 am

Here is an interesting twist to this situation. It is from Facebook so I'm not sure that others will be able to read it

https://www.facebook.com/Oklahoma-State ... 3Q&fref=nf

It looks like the major thrust of the opposition is budgetary, though it is couched in a public safety premise.
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I'm curious how reciprocity works for people from a state with constitutional carry.

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Post by warnmar10 » Fri May 04, 2018 9:10 am

I feel like I've been cheated. What is all the training y'all got with your LTC? I've been through the class twice and I don't recall any training in either class. I wonder if maybe I nodded off during the training portion?


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Post by Rob72 » Fri May 04, 2018 9:15 am

jerry_r60 wrote:I'm curious how reciprocity works for people from a state with constitutional carry.
"Reciprocity" recognizes the issuance of licensure within a common standard. In the case of licensed vs. unlicensed situations, the strictest standard applies.

For instance, if an EMT-I is able to intubate in their licensing state, but a compact-state recognizes their training in all respects except the introduction of an airway, they may not intubate if practicing in the other state. This is why National Registry is becoming THE standard (or was, last time I checked, which has been a few years :read: ). This would be similar to the push for national CC.

In the absence of a license, you is just another civvie, and are lacking special provision. IOW, if the speed limit on I35 is 70 in Texas, you can't keep cruising along when it drops at the state line, just because your home state gives you more permission(s). :cheers2:

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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Post by allisji » Fri May 04, 2018 9:25 am

chasfm11 wrote:Here is an interesting twist to this situation. It is from Facebook so I'm not sure that others will be able to read it

https://www.facebook.com/Oklahoma-State ... 3Q&fref=nf

It looks like the major thrust of the opposition is budgetary, though it is couched in a public safety premise.
I didn't read it... can't use facebook at work. But when Kansas recently passed a campus carry law (after they passed constitutional carry), one of the main complaints on campuses was that they would have to install metal detectors for buildings that they intended to ban firearms and that they'd have to hire more security and police, etc.

It's a pretty weak argument considering that without the metal detectors, what was stopping a bad guy from carrying a gun through the doors, and how many people are actually going to be carrying on campus who didn't already have a CCW permit.

So my counter-point is that if they are concerned about someone bringing a weapon on campus and shooting up a basketball game or an auditorium then why hadn't they already installed the metal detectors and increased security?

Just because it's now legal for law-abiding citizens to carry guns on campus, doesn't mean that it's now any less illegal for a bad guy to shoot up the place.
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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Post by allisji » Fri May 04, 2018 9:32 am

jerry_r60 wrote:I'm curious how reciprocity works for people from a state with constitutional carry.
reciprocity continues to work the same way that it already does. For example in Kansas (a constitutional carry state), they continue to issue CCW permits for people who want to have reciprocity with other states. If you live in Kansas and don't have a CCW permit then you can constitutionally carry in Kansas but you don't have reciprocity with other states if you don't have a license.

But, if you are an unlicensed resident of Texas and you are planning to drive to Kansas with a firearm and you intend to carry it there... well you need to study up on the state laws of Oklahoma and Kansas to see what restrictions and limitations are for non-resident, non-license holders. Depending on how the legislature drafts the constitutional carry law, it may or may not fully apply to non-residents.
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Post by Paladin » Fri May 04, 2018 10:01 am

This is an exciting development.

As things stand now, 40% of US territory does not require a license: US Carry stats/map

The founding fathers intention was for no license to be required, but also that government would provide training. We are stronger as a nation to be both armed and trained.
...Although the state governments continued to depend heavily upon their militias throughout the post-War of 1812 period, the entire militia system by this time was coming under sustained criticism at the state level. Launching these political attacks was a collage of radical Jacksonians, peace advocates, and moralistic reformers. The Workingmen’s Party in New York, precursor of the laissez-faire “Locofoco” Jacksonians, condemned militia fines because they fell unfairly upon laborers and the poor. The common militia also became the butt of an effective campaign of ridicule and civil disobedience. Men would muster for mandatory training with cornstalks, brooms, or other silly substitutes for weapons, giving rise to the derisive sobriquet “cornstalk militia.” In some locations, disgruntled militiamen would elect the town drunk their commander. As a result of these attacks, the compulsory features of the common militia began to ease.

Delaware became the first state to repeal some of its militia fines as early as 1816, and, in 1831, it abolished the common militia system altogether. Massachusetts eliminated all compulsory militia service in 1840, followed by Maine, Ohio, and Vermont in 1844, Connecticut and New York in 1846, Missouri in 1847, and New Hampshire in 1851. New Jersey eliminated imprisonment for failure to pay a militia fine in 1844, followed by Iowa in 1846, Michigan in 1850, and California in 1856. In several states, fines were no longer enforced, or became truly nominal. Mandatory training days were already less frequent, and had degenerated into more social than military events.43 Only in the South were the compulsory features of the militia maintained...
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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Post by jerry_r60 » Fri May 04, 2018 3:02 pm

Rob72 wrote:
jerry_r60 wrote:I'm curious how reciprocity works for people from a state with constitutional carry.
"Reciprocity" recognizes the issuance of licensure within a common standard. In the case of licensed vs. unlicensed situations, the strictest standard applies.

For instance, if an EMT-I is able to intubate in their licensing state, but a compact-state recognizes their training in all respects except the introduction of an airway, they may not intubate if practicing in the other state. This is why National Registry is becoming THE standard (or was, last time I checked, which has been a few years :read: ). This would be similar to the push for national CC.

In the absence of a license, you is just another civvie, and are lacking special provision. IOW, if the speed limit on I35 is 70 in Texas, you can't keep cruising along when it drops at the state line, just because your home state gives you more permission(s). :cheers2:
Your description sounds like what i was thinking but wasn't sure if there was some provision i didn't understand. Until something broader is done, it seems that passing this in OK means OK residents can't carrying in other states. I have not read the OK bill so maybe it's addressed some way i.e. everyone gets a card or maybe it's just open carry and still have license for concealed.


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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Post by rotor » Fri May 04, 2018 3:22 pm

Has the governor signed it yet?

My understanding is that if you are an Oklahoma resident and want Texas reciprocity you will need a LTC (or whatever they call it in OK) and the GFZ stuff around a school still requires a permit (license).

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Post by ScottDLS » Fri May 04, 2018 3:24 pm

jerry_r60 wrote:
Rob72 wrote:
jerry_r60 wrote:I'm curious how reciprocity works for people from a state with constitutional carry.
"Reciprocity" recognizes the issuance of licensure within a common standard. In the case of licensed vs. unlicensed situations, the strictest standard applies.

For instance, if an EMT-I is able to intubate in their licensing state, but a compact-state recognizes their training in all respects except the introduction of an airway, they may not intubate if practicing in the other state. This is why National Registry is becoming THE standard (or was, last time I checked, which has been a few years :read: ). This would be similar to the push for national CC.

In the absence of a license, you is just another civvie, and are lacking special provision. IOW, if the speed limit on I35 is 70 in Texas, you can't keep cruising along when it drops at the state line, just because your home state gives you more permission(s). :cheers2:
Your description sounds like what i was thinking but wasn't sure if there was some provision i didn't understand. Until something broader is done, it seems that passing this in OK means OK residents can't carrying in other states. I have not read the OK bill so maybe it's addressed some way i.e. everyone gets a card or maybe it's just open carry and still have license for concealed.
No. OK just keeps issuing licenses to people who want one, especially for reciprocity. People who don't feel like getting a OK license can carry in OK, but not in states that recognize the OK license that they chose not to get.
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Re: Oklahoma House passes "Constitutional Carry" bill

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Post by Soccerdad1995 » Fri May 04, 2018 3:38 pm

ScottDLS wrote:
jerry_r60 wrote:
Rob72 wrote:
jerry_r60 wrote:I'm curious how reciprocity works for people from a state with constitutional carry.
"Reciprocity" recognizes the issuance of licensure within a common standard. In the case of licensed vs. unlicensed situations, the strictest standard applies.

For instance, if an EMT-I is able to intubate in their licensing state, but a compact-state recognizes their training in all respects except the introduction of an airway, they may not intubate if practicing in the other state. This is why National Registry is becoming THE standard (or was, last time I checked, which has been a few years :read: ). This would be similar to the push for national CC.

In the absence of a license, you is just another civvie, and are lacking special provision. IOW, if the speed limit on I35 is 70 in Texas, you can't keep cruising along when it drops at the state line, just because your home state gives you more permission(s). :cheers2:
Your description sounds like what i was thinking but wasn't sure if there was some provision i didn't understand. Until something broader is done, it seems that passing this in OK means OK residents can't carrying in other states. I have not read the OK bill so maybe it's addressed some way i.e. everyone gets a card or maybe it's just open carry and still have license for concealed.
No. OK just keeps issuing licenses to people who want one, especially for reciprocity. People who don't feel like getting a OK license can carry in OK, but not in states that recognize the OK license that they chose not to get.
Or they could choose to get a non-resident license from a different state. Kinda makes more sense when the license isn't needed in their home state and is only for carry in a reciprocal state. That would not help with GFSZA issues in OK, but would help with a GFSZA issue in the state that issued their non-resident license.
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