Report: More Than 1,700 Red Flag Orders in 2018

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Report: More Than 1,700 Red Flag Orders in 2018

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Post by bblhd672 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:35 am

Report: More Than 1,700 Red Flag Orders in 2018
https://freebeacon.com/issues/report-mo ... s-in-2018/
Brandon Combs, president of the Firearms Policy Coalition, said his group "has consistently opposed ‘red flag' legislation at every level of government because they are a truly dangerous, unjust, unconstitutional, and immoral policy."

He said the laws punish people who haven't yet committed a crime and can create deadly situations when police attempt to confiscate firearms from those subject to an order.

"These Minority Report-style ‘pre-crime' laws target people for disarmament and seizure of their property before they even commit a crime," Combs told the Free Beacon. "In America, we have a foundational presumption that people are innocent until they are proven guilty of a crime. But ‘red flag' confiscation laws turn our very constitutional principles on their head and make everyone presumptively guilty unless they can prove they are not."
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Post by PriestTheRunner » Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:59 am

bblhd672 wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:35 am
Report: More Than 1,700 Red Flag Orders in 2018
https://freebeacon.com/issues/report-mo ... s-in-2018/
Just wait until red flag rulings are enforced with no-knock raids... Probably already happening.


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Post by jason812 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:06 am

I wonder how many had their guns returned... I'm going to guess very few.

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Post by tomneal » Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:11 pm

I've got so many concerns about what seem like such a reasonable idea at a glance, that I can't even list them all.

- That's a lot of Red Flag Orders. Is the pace continuing?
- There doesn't seem to be a judge / trial involved.
- Someone could be "Red Flagged" by a person that does simply doesn't like the way you drive.
- It seems too much like legal "Swatting"
- At least one gun owner has died being "Red Flagged"
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Post by Bushwhacker » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:47 pm

jason812 wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:06 am
I wonder how many had their guns returned... I'm going to guess very few.
That's another good reason to have a cache somewhere in the current environment.
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Post by bblhd672 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:43 pm

Bushwhacker wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:47 pm
jason812 wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:06 am
I wonder how many had their guns returned... I'm going to guess very few.
That's another good reason to have a cache somewhere in the current environment.
At least a pretty good idea what part of the lake you had that boating accident in when a bunch of guns went overboard :biggrinjester:
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Post by Bill Anderson » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:25 pm

bblhd672 wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:43 pm
Bushwhacker wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:47 pm
jason812 wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:06 am
I wonder how many had their guns returned... I'm going to guess very few.
That's another good reason to have a cache somewhere in the current environment.
At least a pretty good idea what part of the lake you had that boating accident in when a bunch of guns went overboard :biggrinjester:
A good deer rifle and a few boxes of ammunition should be sufficient to recover my stolen guns or, at a minimum, kill a dozen or so members of the theft ring and take their guns as partial compensation.


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Post by Bushwhacker » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:56 pm

Bill Anderson wrote:
Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:25 pm
bblhd672 wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:43 pm
Bushwhacker wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:47 pm
jason812 wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:06 am
I wonder how many had their guns returned... I'm going to guess very few.
That's another good reason to have a cache somewhere in the current environment.
At least a pretty good idea what part of the lake you had that boating accident in when a bunch of guns went overboard :biggrinjester:
A good deer rifle and a few boxes of ammunition should be sufficient to recover my stolen guns or, at a minimum, kill a dozen or so members of the theft ring and take their guns as partial compensation.
:iagree:

A ccw gun, a rifle, and some ammo is enough for each cache. I'm not trying to arm an infantry squad.
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Post by Bitter Clinger » Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:10 pm

If the DemocRats succeed in flipping Texas, don't be surprised to see it happen here.
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Post by Bushwhacker » Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:41 pm

Bitter Clinger wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:10 pm
If the DemocRats succeed in flipping Texas, don't be surprised to see it happen here.
That's another good reason to have at least one local cache in the current political environment.
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Post by rotor » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:27 pm

I understand the angst of these orders but realistically how do you handle a family member that is mentally deranged and armed? One that you actually fear may use a firearm to hurt themselves or others but one that you personally can not take their firearms. There are actually very bad people out there that we may personally know and yet we have no control over what they might do. Obviously it should take a court and legal procedure but right now what do we have? We all have to be realistic that there are people that should not have firearms.

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Post by Deltaboy » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:34 pm

rotor wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:27 pm
I understand the angst of these orders but realistically how do you handle a family member that is mentally deranged and armed? One that you actually fear may use a firearm to hurt themselves or others but one that you personally can not take their firearms. There are actually very bad people out there that we may personally know and yet we have no control over what they might do. Obviously it should take a court and legal procedure but right now what do we have? We all have to be realistic that there are people that should not have firearms.
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Post by apostate » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:39 pm

rotor wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:27 pm
We all have to be realistic that there are people that should not have firearms.
No doubt those people also shouldn't have sharp objects, motor vehicles, et cetera. If somebody is truly a danger to themselves and others, the tool isn't the real problem.


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Post by rotor » Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:41 pm

apostate wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:39 pm
rotor wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:27 pm
We all have to be realistic that there are people that should not have firearms.
No doubt those people also shouldn't have sharp objects, motor vehicles, et cetera. If somebody is truly a danger to themselves and others, the tool isn't the real problem.
I agree but how, if we know someone is a risk to others, do we do something to prevent them from hurting others or themselves. Right now I do not see any legal methods. It is not the instrument that they might use but the fact that there are dangerous people out there that can take other lives.

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Post by ScottDLS » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:40 am

rotor wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:41 pm
apostate wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:39 pm
rotor wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:27 pm
We all have to be realistic that there are people that should not have firearms.
No doubt those people also shouldn't have sharp objects, motor vehicles, et cetera. If somebody is truly a danger to themselves and others, the tool isn't the real problem.
I agree but how, if we know someone is a risk to others, do we do something to prevent them from hurting others or themselves. Right now I do not see any legal methods. It is not the instrument that they might use but the fact that there are dangerous people out there that can take other lives.
There are involuntary commitment procedures, but absent the person committing crime it is a very high bar to clear. As it should be. In fact I believe it involves a jury trial in Texas. If you can prove to a jury that a person is such a danger to themselves that they should be committed, then do so. If you want the State to take away their access to guns, then take away their car keys, sharp objects, and lock them up too.
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