GOA in court re bumpstock-ban - interesting

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Post by Ruark » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:37 am

You know, I gotta ask.... regarding the question of whether he used bump stocks.... as I understand it, the gunfire in that incident was very rapid and machine-gun-like. If he didn't have any full-auto weapons, how else could he have fired in that manner?
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Post by crazy2medic » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:05 pm

The guy had plenty of money! He could have had a machine gun! He could have illegally modified a rifle to fire fully auto! Just so many questions on this and we know nothing more about it than we did three days after the incident! Something is just not right!
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Post by The Annoyed Man » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:07 pm

Ruark wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:37 am
You know, I gotta ask.... regarding the question of whether he used bump stocks.... as I understand it, the gunfire in that incident was very rapid and machine-gun-like. If he didn't have any full-auto weapons, how else could he have fired in that manner?
He very well could have used a bumpstocks. But, the “investigation” (in quotes, because it’s a joke) has yielded some, shall we say interesting possibilities - among them the possibility that Paddock was already dead on the floor, and someone else was firing the weapons. At the very least, there is a high probability that he had accomplices - some of whom have actually been named, but nothing has ever come of that. He (or whoever the real shooter/shooters was/were) fired multiple weapons in multiple calibers. And when you listen to the audio part of the various videos recorded, you can hear differences in caliber and rate of fire - the higher pitched “crack” of a 5.56 weapon, and the heavier “boom” of a .308 weapon. In fact, some .308 weapons were “recovered” from the hotel room the shooting allegedly took place from. Some people say that the rate of fire from one of the 5.56 weapons seemed to vary, as it might for a bumpfired weapon. Remember that, at the time, there were helicopters circling the event overhead, and some of the concert goers on the ground wondered if the shooting was coming from a chopper.

In this video, the first round of “automatic” fire sounds at one point almost like TWO guns firing:


About halfway though that video, the shooter pulls a full mag dump, the shooting pauses for not quite a second, and then there’s another burst of 3 or 4 rounds that follows, that sound different from the first dump, and are too quick to be a magazine change. It could be an interruption of bumpfire, and when it resumes his muzzle is pointed in another direction. Or it could be a second gunman.

Here’s what I DO know: law enforcement’s investigation is either a crappy job that leaves more questions than it answers; or it’s a coverup of some kind. The ambiguity is not good for us.
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Post by Bill Anderson » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:19 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:07 pm
Here’s what I DO know: law enforcement’s investigation is either a crappy job that leaves more questions than it answers; or it’s a coverup of some kind. The ambiguity is not good for us.
Very bad for us when fingering the real culprits is called "bashing" by the supporters of anti-constitutional big government.

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Post by mojo84 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:55 pm

Bill Anderson wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:19 pm
The Annoyed Man wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:07 pm
Here’s what I DO know: law enforcement’s investigation is either a crappy job that leaves more questions than it answers; or it’s a coverup of some kind. The ambiguity is not good for us.
Very bad for us when fingering the real culprits is called "bashing" by the supporters of anti-constitutional big government.
To whom are you referring to as "supporters of anti-constitutional big government"?
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Post by The Annoyed Man » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:23 pm

mojo84 wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:55 pm
Bill Anderson wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:19 pm
The Annoyed Man wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:07 pm
Here’s what I DO know: law enforcement’s investigation is either a crappy job that leaves more questions than it answers; or it’s a coverup of some kind. The ambiguity is not good for us.
Very bad for us when fingering the real culprits is called "bashing" by the supporters of anti-constitutional big government.
To whom are you referring to as "supporters of anti-constitutional big government"?
I would suspect that he is referring to the political left, and some of its squishier enablers on the “right” who are big-gov’t “conservatives”....people like Bill Kristol, for example, who is no longer really a conservative.
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Post by mojo84 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:50 pm

Guess I have overlooked where people are claiming there is "bashing" going on. I hope people on here aren't being referred to as "supporters of anti-constitutional big government". Was just curious where the poster has seen the bashing and who the "supporters of anti-constitutional big government" are in the poster's opinion.
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Post by Rubicon » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:46 pm

If you're going to commit mass murder with AR-15 pattern rifles, it's easy to make a few lightning links. That's also cheaper than buying bumpstocks and lightning links give a more consistent cyclic rate than bump firing.

However, if you're rogue government agents conducting a false flag operation to build political support for expanding your ongoing attacks on the bill of rights...
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Post by crazy2medic » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:44 pm

I would think that we should be hearing something on this soon! 9 days before it goes into effect!
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Post by crazy2medic » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:09 am

7 days and counting down! If this isn't a favorable ruling there won't be much time for an appeal
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Post by AndyC » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:14 pm

We had hoped to get a decision by last week. But since we have not, GOA today filed an emergency petition and motion in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit.

In it, we are asking the Court of Appeals to order the district court to halt ATF’s regulation until the court issues its decision on our pending motion.
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Post by AndyC » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:30 am

Well, at least one guy has a temporary reprieve:

https://www.guns.com/news/2019/03/22/lo ... ourt-order
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Post by AndyC » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:45 pm

Judge rules in ATF's favor - GOA files appeal requesting immediate stay:

https://gunowners.org/alert32219/
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Post by The Annoyed Man » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:23 pm

If the federal courts do not invtervene and protect bumpstocks, I predict a rash of boating mishaps.
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Post by AndyC » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:09 pm

Just a few minutes ago, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals denied GOA’s petition for a stay. GOA is immediately appealing to the Supreme Court.
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