Noncompliance Kneecaps New Zealand's Gun Control Scheme

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Noncompliance Kneecaps New Zealand's Gun Control Scheme

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Post by PUCKER » Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:23 pm

Saw that coming....

Headline: Noncompliance Kneecaps New Zealand's Gun Control Scheme

https://reason.com/2019/07/08/noncompli ... ol-scheme/


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Post by EastTexasRancher » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:18 pm

I was just reading this story. Kudos to those brave patriots that hold onto their only form of defense against a tyrannical government.

Ask Mr. Swallow-well how it boosted his presidential bid.

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Post by Lynyrd » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:27 pm

The most telling paragraph in the article to me reads:
"In Australia it is estimated that only about 20% of all banned self-loading rifles have been given up to the authorities," wrote Franz Csaszar, professor of criminology at the University of Vienna, after Australia's 1996 compensated confiscation of firearms following a mass murder in Port Arthur, Tasmania. Csaszar put the number of illegally retained arms in Australia at between two and five million.
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Post by jason812 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:05 pm

Its nice to see the citizens of the world finally, maybe catching a clue. It will be interesting to see how the New Zealand government responds.

Sad to say, I bet our elected rulers don't learn that the peasants probably will not comply to a voluntary disarmament law. Just like I bet very, very few bump stocks have been turned in.

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Post by Liberty » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:00 am

The banners still win. The gun owners go underground, skills deteriorate. Organized training becomes non-existant. The owners still live in fear of being found out. Banning guns is not really about guns, it's about instilling fear and neutering the public Socialism is all about controlling the peasants.

Most people will yield. The Gangster types will go deeper underground, but one by one they will die off or get imprisoned. Once the government disarms their people they never regain those rights as Brazil is finding out.
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Post by chasfm11 » Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:31 am

Liberty wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:00 am
The banners still win. The gun owners go underground, skills deteriorate. Organized training becomes non-existant. The owners still live in fear of being found out. Banning guns is not really about guns, it's about instilling fear and neutering the public Socialism is all about controlling the peasants.

Most people will yield. The Gangster types will go deeper underground, but one by one they will die off or get imprisoned. Once the government disarms their people they never regain those rights as Brazil is finding out.
Don't we have a similar situation in CT with the bans that they passed a few years ago? The initial rhetoric about kicking in doors of violators seemed to disappear and the people who refused to register or turn in their guns and equipment have been driven underground. But the peasants still have the guns and could still use them.
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Post by MaduroBU » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:03 am

This is why we must oppose registration.

"Gun show loophole"=private transfers. The easy solution is to publish a searchable database of the NICS prohibited list and criminalize the sale of a gun to someone on the list. That's not the Democrat goal.

The goal is prohibiting private transfers, and then "discovering" that you can't enforce that law without registering all guns. The "gun show loophole" is just a cover for registration, which in turn only matters if it precedes confiscation.


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Post by Ike Aramba » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:33 am

Liberty wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:00 am
The banners still win. The gun owners go underground, skills deteriorate. Organized training becomes non-existant. The owners still live in fear of being found out. Banning guns is not really about guns, it's about instilling fear and neutering the public
If the colonists hid their guns when King George's men came to confiscate them, there would be no holiday last week.
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Post by philip964 » Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:28 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... rch-attack

Feel good news starts after good day in first gun buyback starts.

There are like 20 of these articles.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/13/worl ... -guns.html

This says 240 guns.

It’s a success!!


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Post by GEM-Texas » Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:15 am

Liberty makes a good point. The guns become useless except for a hypothetical 'revolution'.

You cannot compete with them, hunt with them and using it for self-defense will have all sort of risks of jury bias and charges for you as having the gun. You stand the risk of exposure if your ex decides to screw you, your kid babbles at school, a gun friend secretly doesn't like you, there is a fire and the fire folk find it, etc. Maybe the local sheriff is pro but the state troopers may not be and the Feds wouldn't be.

The accessory industry is destroyed. Red dot sights, scopes, all sorts of aftermarket gadgets are kaput.

Thus, it is nice to chortle about having the gun buried in the basement or bragging you will tell the law it fell off your fishing boat. It's just virtue signaling to try to avoid the disaster a ban will be. State bans will increase as states turn purple or rampages lead to moral panics even among so-call gun supports such as Dump the Bump Trump. Will SCOTUS save the day with Gorsuch and Kavanaugh as golden boys- that is an unknown empirical question.Will they even take a case? Will Roberts not go with existing precedent which seems to support the limits in the lower courts, given vagueness of Heller.

So noncompliance isn't anything to be happy about as far as a really positive outcome.


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Post by bagman45 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:02 pm

What's the saying? "When you think it's time to bury your guns, its really time to dig them up".......

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Post by KLB » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:12 pm

It appears noncompliance continues to be a problem. Further, .22 rifles with up to 0-round magazines were exempted from the ban and have therefore skyrocketed in popularity. They are being imported in large numbers.

https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2019/11/1 ... ns-buying/
Thousands of semi-automatic firearms are being imported to New Zealand so gun owners can re-arm after weapons used in the March 15 Christchurch terror attack were banned.

Gun dealers have responded quickly to sweeping law changes which banned most semi-automatic firearms in April, and have been granted licences to import nearly 7000 semi-automatic rifles which remained permitted.

The number of import permits, issued by police, show firearms owners are keen to replace guns headed to the smelter with .22 calibre semi-automatic “bunny guns”.

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Post by SRO1911 » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:37 pm

Kicking doors, mass roundups, violent revolution are all great talking points - unfortunately, they are talking points.
Control, regardless of topic, comes back to people control and it's a long game boys and girls.
No sweeping moment following an election, no tidal wave of change - the enemy may despise the history they can't reinvent, but that doesn't mean they don't understand it.
A ban, even with laqsidasical active enforcement, over time becomes effective. When you can no longer publicly or openly have X, it becomes socially taboo and within a generation or two becomes a relic.
How many old machine guns were walled up in the 30's - everybody's grandpa had a story... Now days even those stories are few and far between.
It works both ways. As social norms shift, successive generations shift further. Each step is met with a certain level of resistance until the next step is taken and in the fury and thunder to stop IT this time, the previous step becomes normalized.
You can see it with gender\sexuality\candor - today's rhetoric would have been almost impossible 50 years ago. The very conversation about a drag queen at story time in a public library would have never made headlines, the subject would have been deemed vulgar or taboo and squashed. A pride parade, regardless of affiliation never would have been considered - there were standards about public displays of affection (pda).
By incrementally raising the bar, you can shape the next chapter of the conversation without even broaching the subject.

Gun control doesn't need legislation, just change the social perception of the next generation.
Smoking?
Littering?
Professionalism?
Pride in accomplishment?
Journalistic integrity?
Public morality?
Masculinity?
Feminity?
When any govt, or church,says This you can't read, are forbidden to know, the result is tyranny and oppression. Little force is needed to control a man who has been hoodwinked; no force can control a free man, not the rack, bombs, not anything, you can't conquer a free man, at most you can kill him.


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Post by philip964 » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:25 am

https://reason.com/2019/12/04/new-zeala ... onal-info/

Those that complied have their personal information leaked on to the internet, including bank account numbers due to poor police website security.


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Post by crazy2medic » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:43 pm

Government is not eloquence,it is not reason, it is force and like fire it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master!
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