Texas Lt Gov calls for end to private gun sales?

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Re: Texas Lt Gov calls for end to private gun sales?

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Post by Boxerrider » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:02 pm

A loophole is a legal way to avoid a law.
If a firearm is sold to a prohibited person through a private sale in Texas, both the buyer and the seller have broken the law.

I believe Abbott made an incorrect statement concerning this too.
https://www.apnews.com/f0c1ce26cf104ba897ac205c9d5b91a1
“Right now there is nothing in law that would prevent one stranger from selling a gun to a terrorist, and obviously that’s a danger that needs to be looked into,” Abbott said.

https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs ... /PE.46.htm
Sec. 46.06. UNLAWFUL TRANSFER OF CERTAIN WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person:
(1) sells, rents, leases, loans, or gives a handgun to any person knowing that the person to whom the handgun is to be delivered intends to use it unlawfully or in the commission of an unlawful act;
Sec. 46.14. FIREARM SMUGGLING. (a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly engages in the business of transporting or transferring a firearm that the person knows was acquired in violation of the laws of any state or of the United States.


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Re: Texas Lt Gov calls for end to private gun sales?

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Post by Boxerrider » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:02 pm

A loophole is a legal way to avoid a law.
If a firearm is sold to a prohibited person through a private sale in Texas, both the buyer and the seller have broken the law.

I believe Abbott made an incorrect statement concerning this too.
https://www.apnews.com/f0c1ce26cf104ba897ac205c9d5b91a1
“Right now there is nothing in law that would prevent one stranger from selling a gun to a terrorist, and obviously that’s a danger that needs to be looked into,” Abbott said.

https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs ... /PE.46.htm
Sec. 46.06. UNLAWFUL TRANSFER OF CERTAIN WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person:
(1) sells, rents, leases, loans, or gives a handgun to any person knowing that the person to whom the handgun is to be delivered intends to use it unlawfully or in the commission of an unlawful act;
Sec. 46.14. FIREARM SMUGGLING. (a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly engages in the business of transporting or transferring a firearm that the person knows was acquired in violation of the laws of any state or of the United States.

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Post by C-dub » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:11 pm

hondo44 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:42 pm
rm9792 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:45 am
Wish they would quit calling it a loophole. Thats not what a loophole is at all.
but is is a loophole, one that allows retards like that kid that shot up that kindergarten a few years back to buy guns.
That "kid" was 20 years old and did not purchase any firearms. He took his mom's, killed her with one, then went to an elementary school to kill more before killing himself.
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Re: Texas Lt Gov calls for end to private gun sales?

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Post by hondo44 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:42 pm

C-dub wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:11 pm
hondo44 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:42 pm
rm9792 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:45 am
Wish they would quit calling it a loophole. Thats not what a loophole is at all.
but is is a loophole, one that allows retards like that kid that shot up that kindergarten a few years back to buy guns.
That "kid" was 20 years old and did not purchase any firearms. He took his mom's, killed her with one, then went to an elementary school to kill more before killing himself.
yes but mentally he was probably equivalent of an 8 or 10 year old on account of the autism and aspbergers and retardation.
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Post by Pawpaw » Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:06 am

hondo44 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:42 pm
C-dub wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:11 pm
hondo44 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:42 pm
rm9792 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:45 am
Wish they would quit calling it a loophole. Thats not what a loophole is at all.
but is is a loophole, one that allows retards like that kid that shot up that kindergarten a few years back to buy guns.
That "kid" was 20 years old and did not purchase any firearms. He took his mom's, killed her with one, then went to an elementary school to kill more before killing himself.
yes but mentally he was probably equivalent of an 8 or 10 year old on account of the autism and aspbergers and retardation.
And how, exactly, does that add up to the need to "close the loophole"?

You sound just like the typical libtard... when someone points out you're wrong, you try to change the argument.
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Post by DEB » Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:06 am

hondo44 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:42 pm
C-dub wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:11 pm
hondo44 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:42 pm
rm9792 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:45 am
Wish they would quit calling it a loophole. Thats not what a loophole is at all.
but is is a loophole, one that allows retards like that kid that shot up that kindergarten a few years back to buy guns.
That "kid" was 20 years old and did not purchase any firearms. He took his mom's, killed her with one, then went to an elementary school to kill more before killing himself.
yes but mentally he was probably equivalent of an 8 or 10 year old on account of the autism and aspbergers and retardation.
The only way that mandatory background checks could even come close to working, is to have defacto registration of all firearms, as well as an England type of unannounced mandatory checks of your "now registered" firearms by Law Enforcement. Yep, that's right a good old police state, a Democrat's dream and a true Republican's nightmare. Next, with those glorious Red Flag Laws, the removal of all firearms from those one dislikes, even maybe get some icing on that cake, get 'em killed as well. Out of almost 175 million gun owners in the U.S. how many will go for it? Unfortunately most will, shoot we can't even vote as a block, in order for one to vote, one has to be over 18, and to be a gun owner one has to be over 18 as well. So, all of those 150-175 million gun owners are at the very least old enough to be voters. There aint but 320 million total folks in the U.S, that includes people under 18, Felons, current prisoners and etc. This tells me that the majority of voters in the U.S. are gun owners and here we are going down this rabbit hole of blaming our tools for other folk's problems as well as many not having a problem with giving up their freedoms for media talking points. What's that term everyone uses nowadays? That's right, Shake My Head...Need to start another one, this is partially one that was used when I complained as a young soldier in the Army, Tears in a Bucket---
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Re: Texas Lt Gov calls for end to private gun sales?

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Post by Paladin » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:19 am

I have always been a strong supporter of private gun sales. I will continue to be a strong supporter of private gun sales, ownership of AR-15's, suppressors, armor piercing ammo, short barreled rifles & shotguns, and even machineguns by law abiding citizens. Private ownership of military arms, without ownership lists (only useful for confiscation) was how our freedom was won and how it is maintained. That is what authoritarians fear more than they can ever admit.

I would dare to say authoritarians everywhere are completely terrorized by the thought of law abiding citizens who own these arms and ammunition and know how to use them to a high degree of proficiency.

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Post by NotRPB » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:38 am

Why ddidn't we call for an end on private pharmaceutical sales years ago if that's a solution to anything?

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Post by suthdj » Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:11 am

It is sad when our elected representatives represent their opponts better than the people who elected them.
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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:25 am

suthdj wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:11 am
It is sad when our elected representatives represent their opponts better than the people who elected them.
Politicians all live in a bubble. They are going on information they receive from their staffers and other insiders. They all want to retain office. With all the bull crap saying Americans want stronger gun control they start thinking it is how to keep in office. Many Americans are easily programmed. It is not very hard to scare the crap out of them and convince them that giving up their freedoms will make them "safe". I have said it in here before but all one has to do is go back to the world trade center attacks to see how easy it was to convince Americans that giving up their privacy rights was worth being "safe". The government and politicians know this and will use it to increase their own authority and power over the people.

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Post by AJSully421 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:30 am

hondo44 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:42 pm
rm9792 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:45 am
Wish they would quit calling it a loophole. Thats not what a loophole is at all.
but is is a loophole, one that allows retards like that kid that shot up that kindergarten a few years back to buy guns.
Someone doesn’t know what a loophole is, and is buying into the liberal new-speak.

Let’s put this into terms that you can understand: if you are driving down one of our fine Texas highways, and the speed limit is 70, and you are driving at 80, then you are breaking the law.

Now... if you are driving down one of our fine Texas highways, and the speed limit is 70, and you are driving at 70, are you OMG! EXPLOITING A LOOPHOLE!!! or are you doing this funny little thing called: following the law?

Two people who are residents of the same state are allowed, legally, to buy and sell firearms to each other, without a background check, so long as the seller does not know that the buyer is a prohibited person (and is not required to ask). This is not a LOOPHOLE... this is a funny little thing called: following the law.
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Post by jb2012 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:44 am

hondo44 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:42 pm
C-dub wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:11 pm
hondo44 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:42 pm
rm9792 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:45 am
Wish they would quit calling it a loophole. Thats not what a loophole is at all.
but is is a loophole, one that allows retards like that kid that shot up that kindergarten a few years back to buy guns.
That "kid" was 20 years old and did not purchase any firearms. He took his mom's, killed her with one, then went to an elementary school to kill more before killing himself.
yes but mentally he was probably equivalent of an 8 or 10 year old on account of the autism and aspbergers and retardation.
What? What does his age, mental age, physical age, hair color, race, religion, or sexual preference have to do with the fact that he stole them from his mom?

Stealing= Breaking the law
Private Sale= Not breaking the law, nor a loophole

Are you a troll, a fudd, or just flat out anti gun hanging out on a gun forum?

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Post by ScottDLS » Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:43 am

hondo44 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:42 pm
rm9792 wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:45 am
Wish they would quit calling it a loophole. Thats not what a loophole is at all.
but is is a loophole, one that allows retards like that kid that shot up that kindergarten a few years back to buy guns.
What "loophole" allowed him to murder his mother and steal her Connecticut compliant "non-assault weapon" ?
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Post by montgomery » Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:11 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote:
Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:22 pm
I am starting to have thoughts about the point at which I say, enough is enough and refuse to play the game. They are not going to ever talk me into walking in and surrendering my firearms.
They will send in a pick-up service team at 2 AM and help themselves.

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