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Re: Violate Your Oath And Turn On American Citizens At Your Legal Peril, Gun-Grabbers

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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:15 pm

mayor wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:11 pm
If our government officials are stupid enough to actually attempt to ban guns, then a march on the capitol to deliver them should be organized.
Well crud. I was going to stop hogging this thread. Just one more post. This is a great Idea actually. Maybe leave off the part about walking on the Capitol with AR15's but going there in mass to show how we feel would definitely send them the message to stand down.

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Post by narcissist » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:19 pm

mayor wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:11 pm
If our government officials are stupid enough to actually attempt to ban guns, then a march on the capitol to deliver them should be organized.
I swear I was telling my wife yesterday the exact same thing, you listening in on me or something? I'm dead serious though almost word for word, see we all on this forum pretty much think alike.
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Post by Pawpaw » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:33 pm

Grayling813 wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:55 pm
03Lightningrocks wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:50 pm
I am curious though. Where were all the tough guys willing to die when they instituted the assault weapons ban the last time? Yeah, exactly.
Today's environment is not 1994. It's 2019 with communists openly holding elected office in the federal government, communists running for President, communists openly advocating doing away with parts of the Constitution they don't agree with.
Plus, there was no ban. There was simply a prohibition on manufacture of new rifles with certain cosmetic features. As egregious as that was, there was no confiscation (with or without payment) and there was no "We're coming to take them."

This time, they're talking about forced confiscation of not only AR-15's and AK-47's, but also your father's deer rifle... Pretty much every firearm that would make possible any effective citizen militia.

If this comes to pass, you have only two choices. 1) Take up arms and take the country back. 2) Turn in your guns, accept your fate, and keep your mouth shut.
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Post by anygunanywhere » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:34 pm

Every freedom loving American must know what their last straw is. If you decide you are going to give up, roll over and and go belly up, I’m okay with that. I’m not stating publicly what my decision is. You know you really should have made the decision.
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Post by mayor » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:49 pm

narcissist wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:19 pm
mayor wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:11 pm
If our government officials are stupid enough to actually attempt to ban guns, then a march on the capitol to deliver them should be organized.
I swear I was telling my wife yesterday the exact same thing, you listening in on me or something? I'm dead serious though almost word for word, see we all on this forum pretty much think alike.
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Post by Grayling813 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:51 pm

Texas_Blaze wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:06 pm
I’ll speak plainly about this. As a born again believer I don’t see any biblical support of taking up arms against the government over matters such as this. In fact, as a believer, all are deputized as ministers to bring the good news of the gospel to everyone around us. This is our purpose for living. Killing others due to the violation of our constitution is contrary to my purpose. I’ll protect innocent human life from imminent danger with any sort of weapon I can. My position of not engaging in a civil conflict has nothing to do with my wife and kids, but everything to do with my reason for living. As the old sayin goes, what would Jesus do, thats what I’ll do. My home is elsewhere.
Who is the innocent life you will protect with any weapon you can? Your wife and children? Relatives? Friends? Neighbors? Co-workers? Members of your church?

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Post by PriestTheRunner » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:51 pm

anygunanywhere wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:34 pm
Every freedom loving American must know what their last straw is.
I'm afraid that we are getting dang close to some people's 'straw'. The problem is with media entirely controlled by the left, any loony that has had their last straw will be labelled as a terrorist... And most would likely agree with them.

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Post by PriestTheRunner » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:55 pm

Grayling813 wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:51 pm
Texas_Blaze wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:06 pm
I’ll speak plainly about this. As a born again believer I don’t see any biblical support of taking up arms against the government over matters such as this. In fact, as a believer, all are deputized as ministers to bring the good news of the gospel to everyone around us. This is our purpose for living. Killing others due to the violation of our constitution is contrary to my purpose. I’ll protect innocent human life from imminent danger with any sort of weapon I can. My position of not engaging in a civil conflict has nothing to do with my wife and kids, but everything to do with my reason for living. As the old sayin goes, what would Jesus do, thats what I’ll do. My home is elsewhere.
Who is the innocent life you will protect with any weapon you can? Your wife and children? Relatives? Friends? Neighbors? Co-workers? Members of your church?
Being a Christian myself, this is a difficult question. The main two problems I see are that (1) EVERY communist and socialist nation can and will try to eliminate Christianity and silence the Gospel, and (2) my duty to protect innocent life extends all the way to unborn life- whether that be my grandkids or some future generation. If the time were to come, you cannot sit idly by and reduce religious liberty (IE the right to CHOOSE the Gospel and the right to SPEAK the Gospel) to ashes.

We have already crossed that line in a vast majority of the public sphere, when it goes further it becomes time to break the law.

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Post by anygunanywhere » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:00 pm

PriestTheRunner wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:51 pm
anygunanywhere wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:34 pm
Every freedom loving American must know what their last straw is.
I'm afraid that we are getting dang close to some people's 'straw'. The problem is with media entirely controlled by the left, any loony that has had their last straw will be labelled as a terrorist... And most would likely agree with them.
Loony?? Why would they be a loony? For no longer tolerating tyranny?

Your loony will be someone else’s patriot.
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Post by RottenApple » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:07 pm

LucasMcCain wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:16 am
Democrats underestimate the number of Americans that are willing to water the Tree of Liberty when needed.
My watering can is full to the brim. My Wife and I stand ready should the call ever come.

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Post by PriestTheRunner » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:22 pm

anygunanywhere wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:00 pm
PriestTheRunner wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:51 pm
anygunanywhere wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:34 pm
Every freedom loving American must know what their last straw is.
I'm afraid that we are getting dang close to some people's 'straw'. The problem is with media entirely controlled by the left, any loony that has had their last straw will be labelled as a terrorist... And most would likely agree with them.
Loony?? Why would they be a loony? For no longer tolerating tyranny?

Your loony will be someone else’s patriot.
I don't disagree with you one bit but just look at how most of those that "fit the bill" for no longer tolerating tyranny are remembered...

I'll PM you some examples if you want cause the names are probably too hot to put here.

And just to pile on, this is worth a read: https://www.aclu.org/other/how-usa-patr ... -terrorism


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Post by mayor » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:30 pm

PriestTheRunner wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:55 pm
Grayling813 wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:51 pm
Texas_Blaze wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:06 pm
I’ll speak plainly about this. As a born again believer I don’t see any biblical support of taking up arms against the government over matters such as this. In fact, as a believer, all are deputized as ministers to bring the good news of the gospel to everyone around us. This is our purpose for living. Killing others due to the violation of our constitution is contrary to my purpose. I’ll protect innocent human life from imminent danger with any sort of weapon I can. My position of not engaging in a civil conflict has nothing to do with my wife and kids, but everything to do with my reason for living. As the old sayin goes, what would Jesus do, thats what I’ll do. My home is elsewhere.
Who is the innocent life you will protect with any weapon you can? Your wife and children? Relatives? Friends? Neighbors? Co-workers? Members of your church?
Being a Christian myself, this is a difficult question. The main two problems I see are that (1) EVERY communist and socialist nation can and will try to eliminate Christianity and silence the Gospel, and (2) my duty to protect innocent life extends all the way to unborn life- whether that be my grandkids or some future generation. If the time were to come, you cannot sit idly by and reduce religious liberty (IE the right to CHOOSE the Gospel and the right to SPEAK the Gospel) to ashes.

We have already crossed that line in a vast majority of the public sphere, when it goes further it becomes time to break the law.
Romans 13:1-4 is the relevant scripture. Paul is referring to a Godly government that does what is good for and right by the people. “Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God." EVERY soul is subject to the higher powers - not try to become the highest power. Our government is supposed to be our servant not our rulers. When the government becomes corrupt and evil we should have righteous anger. Just a Jesus had righteous anger and tossed the money changers out of the temple. The Declaration of Independence says it way better than I can:

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

I'm just a poor dumb country Texan and the men who formulated those words were a lot smarter than me. I'm pretty sure they'd read and understood the book of Romans.

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Post by The Annoyed Man » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:59 pm

mayor wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:11 pm
If our government officials are stupid enough to actually attempt to ban guns, then a march on the capitol to deliver them should be organized.
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Post by K.Mooneyham » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:41 pm

I think a few things get overlooked in this topic. One, the power of people to simply ignore things, for starters. Even in Europe, where most guns are illegal or heavily regulated, people retain firearms. And they do NOT have our history behind them, a history of personal ownership of firearms. Two, the capacity of police officers who don't really want to enforce something to simply not see the thing they are supposed to enforce. Third, the fact that state and local police just might not agree with a law of the type y'all are discussing (please refer to various sherrifs around the nation who have stated they won't waste resources enforcing new gun control laws). Finally, the complete inadequacy of the Federal government to obtain enough personnel willing and able to go forth and spend day after day confiscating firearms by whatever means, be it door-to-door or pulling over random people and searching their vehicles. Plus, the more draconian something like that turns, the more it will irritate people. I'm just a dumb mechanic, though, so what do I know.

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Post by narcissist » Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:55 pm

Thought this photo would fit this topic well?
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