VA: Tazewell County Forms Militia in Response to New Virginia Gun Laws

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Re: VA: Tazewell County Forms Militia in Response to New Virginia Gun Laws

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Post by TreyHouston » Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:47 am

ELB wrote:
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Donald Trump with the National Guard at his disposal and Attorney General and Top Cop William Barr loose and running wild?
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I have no idea what that means but the “National Guard” is always at the president’s “disposal”, providing he wants to issue the activation order..and pay for the call up.

The National Guard is organized as a federal military reserve force, part of the militia of the United States (not the individual state) but is organized at the state level. The feds pay for the equipment and expendables, And for quite a bit of the training. The state governor can use the guard and equipment for certain activities, but The state hast to pay the feds back for anything lost or expended. And the president’s authority trumps (heh) the governor’s If there’s a disagreement.

Texas has a State Guard That is completely state funded and independent of the National Guard; I don’t know if Virginia has the same, but I’ll bet they would be even less inclined to interfere with second amendment sanctuaries.
I have asked the highest officers in the TXSG and no, they would not. Keep in mind, the TXSG in their last modification of contract in the Texas House added that Trump CAN CALL US UP.
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Re: VA: Tazewell County Forms Militia in Response to New Virginia Gun Laws

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Post by chasfm11 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:01 pm

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If any Military force under orders, refuses those orders, there isn't any going back. Even if the State backs off, that unit or units would be prosecuted to the fullest extent, if not destroyed. No do-overs in a Military refusing to comply to their Civilian Representative's (read superior's) orders. Individuals could wink at certain times, much as some did during Katrina, but a Unit including their Officers? Both sides better think long and hard about using the National Guard against their own parents, siblings and townsfolk. Not too very many "large" City/liberals join the National Guard. The National Guard is mostly composed of small town folks, (read conservative), Virginia especially. The National Guard is used effectively in Large City riots and crisis's, their being from those small towns, I believe being a big factor. Large cities have always been an anathema to more rural folk. If those in power want a Revolution to kick off, use the National Guard against their own people. Regular folks can go back and beg forgiveness, soldiers cannot...My take anyways. :tiphat:
We are still in the speculation stage for how this might play out. First, they have to actually pass laws. Then we can see what is in them. They initially said no grandfather clause but the latest I heard was that there would be one. Assuming that, the ban would be on future sales. That would mean that all current gun shops in VA could no longer have the banned weapons. it could be a possible flash point where a local gun shop decides not to comply and someone at the State level tries to hall the local sheriff up on charges for not attempting to enforce the ban.

But I think a more likely flash point is going to be the "paramilitary training" If I'm understanding correctly, the way that the proposed law is written, it would ban all types of martial arts training. There are a lot of dojos in Virginia that probably wouldn't go along and that is where the sheriff may or may not take action. It could be a big popcorn tub event.
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Re: VA: Tazewell County Forms Militia in Response to New Virginia Gun Laws

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Post by Grayling813 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:05 pm

“People talk about the impatience of the populace; but sound historians know that most tyrannies have been possible because men moved too late. It is often essential to resist a tyranny before it exists. It is no answer to say, with a distant optimism, that the scheme is only in the air. A blow from a hatchet can only be parried while it is in the air.”
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Re: VA: Tazewell County Forms Militia in Response to New Virginia Gun Laws

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Post by RoyGBiv » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:33 am

chasfm11 wrote:
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They initially said no grandfather clause but the latest I heard was that there would be one.
Last I read somewhere, to get grandfathered would require registration.

https://www.virginiamercury.com/2019/12 ... ting-guns/
“In this case, the governor’s assault weapons ban will include a grandfather clause for individuals who already own assault weapons, with the requirement they register their weapons before the end of a designated grace period,” Northam spokeswoman Alena Yarmosky said in a statement Monday evening.
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Re: VA: Tazewell County Forms Militia in Response to New Virginia Gun Laws

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Post by SQLGeek » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:32 am

chasfm11 wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:01 pm

But I think a more likely flash point is going to be the "paramilitary training" If I'm understanding correctly, the way that the proposed law is written, it would ban all types of martial arts training. There are a lot of dojos in Virginia that probably wouldn't go along and that is where the sheriff may or may not take action. It could be a big popcorn tub event.
That law has been on the books in Virginia since 1987. The proposed bill is to amend that law to prohibit marching or demonstrating with firearms with the intent to intimidate. That's rife with its own problems.
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Re: VA: Tazewell County Forms Militia in Response to New Virginia Gun Laws

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Post by von Clausewitz » Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:28 am

RoyGBiv wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:33 am
chasfm11 wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:01 pm
They initially said no grandfather clause but the latest I heard was that there would be one.
Last I read somewhere, to get grandfathered would require registration.

https://www.virginiamercury.com/2019/12 ... ting-guns/
“In this case, the governor’s assault weapons ban will include a grandfather clause for individuals who already own assault weapons, with the requirement they register their weapons before the end of a designated grace period,” Northam spokeswoman Alena Yarmosky said in a statement Monday evening.
And the leading pro-2A group (VCDL) has said that is also just as unacceptable as the original idea...

To quote the VCDL President “Who are we to negotiate away the rights of future generations for our own benefit?”


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Re: VA: Tazewell County Forms Militia in Response to New Virginia Gun Laws

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Post by Grayling813 » Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:38 am

von Clausewitz wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:28 am
RoyGBiv wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:33 am
chasfm11 wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:01 pm
They initially said no grandfather clause but the latest I heard was that there would be one.
Last I read somewhere, to get grandfathered would require registration.

https://www.virginiamercury.com/2019/12 ... ting-guns/
“In this case, the governor’s assault weapons ban will include a grandfather clause for individuals who already own assault weapons, with the requirement they register their weapons before the end of a designated grace period,” Northam spokeswoman Alena Yarmosky said in a statement Monday evening.
And the leading pro-2A group (VCDL) has said that is also just as unacceptable as the original idea...

To quote the VCDL President “Who are we to negotiate away the rights of future generations for our own benefit?”
Registration makes future confiscation much easier. We should consider that all of us are Virginians. Texas progressive socialists want nothing more than to enact the same laws here.

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Re: VA: Tazewell County Forms Militia in Response to New Virginia Gun Laws

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Post by RoyGBiv » Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:02 pm

I joined VCDL last week.

https://www.vcdl.org/
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Re: VA: Tazewell County Forms Militia in Response to New Virginia Gun Laws

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Post by PriestTheRunner » Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:32 pm

Grandfather clause is how we lost full auto.

Absolutely not going to be accepted. Gun shops should keep selling and refuse to comply.


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Re: VA: Tazewell County Forms Militia in Response to New Virginia Gun Laws

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Post by chasfm11 » Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:55 am

I am no more in favor of the grandfather clause than any of you. My point with it is that it takes away the initial confrontation that Northam promised in confiscation. Connecticut did the same with their law and, if you believe the numbers, almost none of the banned gun owners complied. The standoff has continued, with neither the State police kicking in doors as they promised to do nor the citizens openly displaying the banned guns.

In the news this morning, a small town in Northern New Jersey has jointed in declaring itself a sanctuary area. I lived in that town - West Milford - many years ago and would never have expected it to be that forward. There are parts of Southern New Jersey who would easily identify with their Virginia brethren on defying the Blue politicians. The same is true for the Eastern and Western parts of Maryland. Maryland also had passed the ban on some weapons and magazines and a Federal Appeals court threw it back to them in 2016. I haven't followed anything about that since. My expectation is that, without implied immediate confiscation, Virigina's laws will fair no better with the population than the in the other States who have tried.
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Post by The Annoyed Man » Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:04 pm

Some good commentary in this video:



Same guy, a few days ago:

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Post by RoyGBiv » Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:30 pm

My VA-based BiL will be here for New Years.... I'll have a face to face chance to gauge his commitment to resisting... He's a huge hunter, but not much of a gun-toter. Keeps talking about getting his license. I tease him about it all the time... "Your sister has hers. Already had to renew it twice." :lol:

Would be good to have a warm place to stay if I need to go to Richmond. :patriot:
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Re: VA: Tazewell County Forms Militia in Response to New Virginia Gun Laws

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Post by Grayling813 » Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:18 pm

VA State Senator speaks out about the NG.

The Virginia National Guard Will Not Turn Their Rifles Against the People

http://thebullelephant.com/the-virginia ... he-people/


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Re: VA: Tazewell County Forms Militia in Response to New Virginia Gun Laws

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Post by von Clausewitz » Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:35 pm

RoyGBiv wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:30 pm
My VA-based BiL will be here for New Years.... I'll have a face to face chance to gauge his commitment to resisting... He's a huge hunter, but not much of a gun-toter. Keeps talking about getting his license. I tease him about it all the time... "Your sister has hers. Already had to renew it twice." :lol:

Would be good to have a warm place to stay if I need to go to Richmond. :patriot:
Let’s compare notes after the New Year...I’ll be in VA visiting the son and family starting tomorrow. I have a meeting set up with a federal LEO friend who lives in VA...he is furious and is counting the days to his retirement.’

And to those who might believe a compromise allowing current owners to keep their weapons is realistic, read this please...

https://amblerlawoffices.com/blog/f/vir ... LywqCBeSnA


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Re: VA: Tazewell County Forms Militia in Response to New Virginia Gun Laws

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Post by chasfm11 » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:23 am

Here is a different approach.

This podcaster claims that the nullification of the Virginia proposed gun control laws should focus NOT on the U.S. Constitution but on Article 1, Section 13 of the Virginia Constitution.


He says, however, that it really doesn't matter because this not really legal issue but more of a Public Relations one. The State officials understand that sending the Virginia State Police to try to enforce these laws when the local constables will not will cause massive election losses.

There is a reference to a book which talks about nullification that predates the Constitution. Here is a link to that
https://uncpress.org/book/9780807845134 ... ct-crisis/

The podcast says that Northum and his cronies have backed down and will not pass the legislation.
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