Is what you see really what you see?

[mojo84]

Many like to argue videos seldom show what they show. Here is one that millions are viewing and forming opinions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNCrs63JeuM

What do you think this video shows? Are the players actions really what they appear? Was this justified based on prior events or what might have been said? Is it all just a misunderstanding and it was all an accident? Should the players have been ejected from the game at the time? How about kicked off the team or suspended from school based on the video? Should they have been allowed to remain in the game, on the team and in school until the entire investigation was complete and made public so we can feel comfortable they received due process?

My point is, sometimes (maybe even much of the time) the video really is representative of what went on and is enough to form an opinion. What do you say? I hope we can have a reasonable discussion about this as I am interested in better understanding people's viewpoints and how their perspectives influence their opinions.

I say the video shows and all out premeditate assault and the players should be punished accordingly including assault charges filed against them. I even say this in light of having previously witnessed this referee's work on the field I will say in my opinion, he is a terrible ref and I would not let him be part of the crew that refs a game in which I was involved.

[The Annoyed Man]

You're making far too much sense! My wife and I were talking about this video last night. The students involved accuse the ref of using racist epithets. My take is that being called a [insert racist term here] is not an excuse to physically assault someone.

[Countryside]

Now they're saying the coach is involved in it.
They're saying the ref was making racial slurs.
If he was there would be plenty of witnesses to it...namely the other players.
But then again, why was this ref singled out? If verbal, racial slurs were being spoken by him loud enough to be heard then there should be other witnesses. If it was because of "bad calls" pertaining to his role, a physical attack is not the answer and is just as wrong as "bad calls" he may have been making.
While the attack was definitely not right, and those involved do need to be held accountable, if this ref remains a ref....he may have gained a bit of....wisdom? (The hard way.)

[Glockster]

Wow, some video. Understand the anger if what the ref supposedly did/said is true, but the players are lucky that it wasn't one of those hits that breaks a neck on the fall. That ref could have been killed or easily seriously injured.

[talltex]

Wow, some video. Understand the anger if what the ref supposedly did/said is true, but the players are lucky that it wasn't one of those hits that breaks a neck on the fall. That ref could have been killed or easily seriously injured.

There is no possible justification for their actions...period. That was a cowardly, premeditated attack with the intention of physically hurting him. No different than two boys attacking someone on the street from behind. If they wanted to show how tough they were they should have taken off their pads and helmets and confronted him from the front, face to face, one at a time. And THEN both kicked out of the game and off the team for THAT action.

[mojo84]

I intended to put this info in my original post for those not aware of the event and would like to research it some. You can google "John Jay high school referree". You will get plenty of hits discussing it and giving more info.

Yes, one of the Jay assistant coaches is being investigated also to determine if he had any involvement.

[Glockster]

And apparently that coach has been placed on administrative leave.

[lildave40]

First they claim it was over a bad call now it was racially motivated. What will the next excuse be? This is an attack plain and simple. A cowardly one at that.

[SA_Steve]

I kinda miss the old days when bad guys would never think of doing cowardly acts to other bad guys or even their victims: hit from behind, pulling a knife on an unarmed adversary, drive by shooting, knock out game...

They have no class anymore !

As to the event itself, the perps will likely claim brain damage from concussions since everyone knows this particular activity had a thousand witnesses and was captured on video. Only the brain damaged would do this. Brain cannot think of consequences, but it still worked good enough to do some premeditation and coordination with another with brain damage. Or maybe it was lead paint. Anyway, certainly not their fault.

[SewTexas]

I tend to doubt the racial aspect of this simply because from what I've been seeing on various fb pages the ref and the players were all 3 hispanic.

[RoyGBiv]

That was a video of an assault (22.01, Misd-B per 22.01 (c)(2)(B)) with clear intent to inflict bodily harm. If injury was sustained, it's 22.02, aggravated assault (Felony 2).

No exchange of slurs can justify that cowardly act. Sticks and stones.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... /PE.22.htm

[Sidro]

Punks.

[maintenanceguy]

I don't care what somebody says, it does not justify physically assaulting them - especially hitting them from behind.

But if you can demonize the ref enough by calling him a racist, it will minimize the punishment.

The rules often change if you can inject racism.

[K.Mooneyham]

Y'all are seeing the efforts of the current political climate come to fruition. In the eyes of the hard left, "social justice" demands that they get back at "racial transgressors", thus indemnifying the attackers, at least in their eyes. It falls within the same realm as being okay to rob rich people, simply because they have more. Make no mistake about this, even though race is being used as the driving factor, and perhaps even the participants only see that factor, this is fully a politically-driven event, and will be used for political purposes.