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...because their owners (who are required by state law to register gun ownership) are also registered has having medical marijuana cards.

Surrender Your Guns, Police Tell Hawaiian Medical Marijuana Patients


ETA: Having followed a couple links from the article, I'm not sure the individual firearm is registered with the state. In addition to completing the Form 4473, gun purchasers must complete a separate State form that is very similar, so it appears the gun owner rather than the firearm is being registered (altho the purchase permit does include whether it is handgun or longarm that is being purchased).
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My memory Hawaii has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. You may be actually able to have a gun after you jump through hoops, but I'm not sure you can ever even look at it outside it's locked box.

My memory out of state LEO's can't bring their guns into the State when they visit, even on business.

Hawaii as an island has a very low gun death rate.
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Gun or wheed? Nothing wron with a gun-less substance dependent person.
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Oh well, we weren't planning on going there anyway.

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philip964 wrote:My memory Hawaii has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. You may be actually able to have a gun after you jump through hoops, but I'm not sure you can ever even look at it outside it's locked box.

My memory out of state LEO's can't bring their guns into the State when they visit, even on business.

Hawaii as an island has a very low gun death rate.
I could see and understand that. Low population, borders and cops who actually see people. It would be pretty easy to control the inmates, I mean island!
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It's not that difficult. If you don't want your guns taken away, don't commit what is still a disqualifying federal crime for firearm possession.
philip964 wrote: My memory out of state LEO's can't bring their guns into the State when they visit, even on business.
State law may say that, but it's overridden by LEOSA.
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CleverNickname wrote:It's not that difficult. If you don't want your guns taken away, don't commit what is still a disqualifying federal crime for firearm possession.
This is about Medical Marijuana
It could be a difficult choice if you are treating a disease that a marijuana product will alleviate. There are some illnesses that have had dramatic results with cannabis products. These people are required to make a choice of either improving their health and quality of life, or the right to protect themselves. Many cannabis products have no THC and will not get anyone high buying this stuff. Other tough choices could be buying this stuff for or child so that they can live a normal life, or become a felon.

A few years ago it was Luitenant Governor Dan Patrick who promised that as long as he is in power that he will never allow folks to get medical treatment because the cost to society would be that some people might enjoy the herb recreationally.
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Liberty wrote:
CleverNickname wrote:It's not that difficult. If you don't want your guns taken away, don't commit what is still a disqualifying federal crime for firearm possession.
This is about Medical Marijuana
It could be a difficult choice if you are treating a disease that a marijuana product will alleviate. There are some illnesses that have had dramatic results with cannabis products. These people are required to make a choice of either improving their health and quality of life, or the right to protect themselves. Many cannabis products have no THC and will not get anyone high buying this stuff. Other tough choices could be buying this stuff for or child so that they can live a normal life, or become a felon.

A few years ago it was Luitenant Governor Dan Patrick who promised that as long as he is in power that he will never allow folks to get medical treatment because the cost to society would be that some people might enjoy the herb recreationally.
Good point, using marijuana for medical treatments is surely a way to use natural resources to fight serious health problems.
The problem is the fact our health care system is and always will be abused left and right, see the problem with the opiates as an example.
Children should not be a part of the equation because they can't buy or posess a firearm anyway.
Fact is that many will become millionaire with the marijuana business and where money can be made we'll see more crimiinals moving into business and make money with the support of the corrupt legal system. Marketing and professional business people will ensure success.
A mpre realistic approach to the health issues would be promoting a healthy diet and adequate physical exercise.
Take my word, a children with a health problem will not recover by taking marijuana or other numbing medication.
Legalization of drugs will not solve the problem at hand, it will shift the cartel controlling it and earning the profit.
Use of drugs leads to abuse of drugs until it becomes normal and that's it.

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philip964 wrote:My memory Hawaii has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. You may be actually able to have a gun after you jump through hoops, but I'm not sure you can ever even look at it outside it's locked box.

My memory out of state LEO's can't bring their guns into the State when they visit, even on business.

Hawaii as an island has a very low gun death rate.
That can't be true. My wife watches Hawaii 5-0 and there's gunfights going on all the time. Seems like everyone has guns there and are using them! :biggrinjester:
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bblhd672 wrote:
philip964 wrote:My memory Hawaii has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. You may be actually able to have a gun after you jump through hoops, but I'm not sure you can ever even look at it outside it's locked box.

My memory out of state LEO's can't bring their guns into the State when they visit, even on business.

Hawaii as an island has a very low gun death rate.
That can't be true. My wife watches Hawaii 5-0 and there's gunfights going on all the time. Seems like everyone has guns there and are using them! :biggrinjester:
My wife also really likes that show - i find nearly everything absurd. I say that I'm not sure I want to go with all the crime and terrorism depicted. it is real - right?
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The canaboid treatments I was referring to do not involve THC. There is no high involved. The medications I was referring to were for treating symptoms of certain forms of epilepsy and Parkinsons disease. Because they are derived from certain Cannibus plants they are illegal. There are certain salves and creams that have had had therapeutic benefits.

Even the regular weed, has proven beneficial for PTSD victims. With fewer nasty side effects.
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Liberty wrote:The canaboid treatments I was referring to do not involve THC. There is no high involved. The medications I was referring to were for treating symptoms of certain forms of epilepsy and Parkinsons disease. Because they are derived from certain Cannibus plants they are illegal. There are certain salves and creams that have had had therapeutic benefits.

Even the regular weed, has proven beneficial for PTSD victims. With fewer nasty side effects.
That is perfectly fine, using natural resources for treatments of cases you mentioned is a benefit for society.
What I was referring to is the cases where dope heads and drug dealers hang out in or around school yards or other places wher children usually are. There are also some idiots telling children and minors about the positive side of wheed regardless whether they are ill or not. We had already posts on this forum where a lqady was followed by a drug dealer after she dropped her kids at school. In my opinion that sort of criminals which targhet our youth should be hung without a trial.
There is no doubt about the negative sides of dope are by far more useless and dangerous than the benefitial part.
You doubt it, talk to parents dealing with it!
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I am not stepping in to the issue of medical/recreational/legal/ illegal marijuana usage. The point that has been overlooked, in my opinion, is that this is just one of many avenues, that can be used by government, to deprive someone of their 2A rights, by instituting a gun registry system. Using this same formula, they could do the same thing to someone who is in arrears in child support, taxes, vehicle registration, or a myriad of other things those in power feel, is justified. Hawaii seems far away, and their politicians, are not our politicians, but, the same type of things are being proposed all over the country. We need to be ever vigilant, and stand up and defy those who think a gun registry, is "common sense" JMHO
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bmwrdr wrote: A mpre realistic approach to the health issues would be promoting a healthy diet and adequate physical exercise.
Take my word, a children with a health problem will not recover by taking marijuana or other numbing medication.
Tell the parents of an epileptic child that they just need to promote healthy diet and adequate physical exercise.

It sounds like your argument is that legal weed would lead to abuse. While denying that as a significant possibility would be silly, not allowing treatment of some peoples illnesses because others will be irresponsible sounds like a very similar argument that is made for gun control.

"Some will be irresponsible with guns and shoot people so we should make guns illegal so they cannot do so."

I am ambivalent to the idea of legal recreational use so don't really have a dog in this THATfight I guess.

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lama wrote:
bmwrdr wrote: A mpre realistic approach to the health issues would be promoting a healthy diet and adequate physical exercise.
Take my word, a children with a health problem will not recover by taking marijuana or other numbing medication.
Tell the parents of an epileptic child that they just need to promote healthy diet and adequate physical exercise.

It sounds like your argument is that legal weed would lead to abuse. While denying that as a significant possibility would be silly, not allowing treatment of some peoples illnesses because others will be irresponsible sounds like a very similar argument that is made for gun control.

"Some will be irresponsible with guns and shoot people so we should make guns illegal so they cannot do so."

I am ambivalent to the idea of legal recreational use so don't really have a dog in this fight I guess.
Medicinal purpose means there is a doctor engaged and not a drug dealer. If I read the news I get the picture and understand that the "Industry" will make it possible to obtain medicinal marijuana and that implies financial gain is expected just like the drug dealers expect maximum profit and they actually get it.
Since human history there were humans with epilepsy and other diseases, marijuana wasn't a solution before it was outlawed and modern medicin can not cure the epilepsy either. I do very well understand the benefits but I will not agree with making marijuana available to anybody just because.
Anybody who doesn't already know can research and find out that the negative impact is by far higher to society then the benefit for an individual will be.
There are even scientific reports about children from parents taking or took drugs showing negative symptoms compared to children from drug free parents. The same applies to alcohol and other substances. There is a reason why people living drug and alcohol free live a healthier life.
Another point is employement, if an employee does not pass a drug test it is a reason for termination and the Government is actually strict about that part.
Would you smoke marijuana or take it in any other form? You can rest assured I wouldn't.
It is the criminals making a buck of the consumers and aaddicted. And it is the weak or helpless person having to put up with it.
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