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Illegal Kitty Keychain

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Post by WildBill » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:20 am

I ran across this story about several types of keychains that are considered to be brass knuckles and therefore illegal.
I don't know what anyone else thinks about this, but I think it's ridiculous to have this law on the books still.
To me, it's along the same lines as the laws prohibiting the Bowie knife.

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A keychain is stirring up controversy after many are finding out it's illegal in Texas.

The Travis County Sheriff's Office said brass knuckles are growing in popularity amongst women.
But many don't even know they own one and it can lead to a hefty fine or even land them in jail.

It's cute but don't be fooled it can be dangerous.

At first glance, it looks like a harmless cat or dog keychain.
But as it turns out, it can be used as a deadly self-defense weapon.

http://www.fox26houston.com/news/local- ... n-cost-you
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Re: Illegal Kitty Keychain

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Post by Grundy1133 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:22 am

At first glance, it looks like a harmless cat or dog keychain.
But as it turns out, it can be used as a deadly self-defense weapon.
and that's what makes it illegal...? SMH I guess you can't fix stupid.
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Re: Illegal Kitty Keychain

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Post by srothstein » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:34 am

I hate when the news incorrectly cites the law. The keychain is not illegal. Using it as brass knuckles is illegal. The definition of brass knuckles is anything with fingerholes and a guard, made of a hard substance, that is designed, made, or adapted for causing serious bodily injury or death.

You can be convicted of having brass knuckles if you are wearing rings made of steel and hit someone with them but no one would claim the ring itself was illegal. The same is true of the keychain.
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Re: Illegal Kitty Keychain

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Post by Abraham » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:31 pm

One of the tactical tricks I've read about is women should carry their keys in hand to smash into an attacker's face, thus protecting her.

So, given the above, she'd be in trouble if she defended herself in this manner?

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Post by ScottDLS » Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:44 pm

Abraham wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:31 pm
One of the tactical tricks I've read about is women should carry their keys in hand to smash into an attacker's face, thus protecting her.

So, given the above, she'd be in trouble if she defended herself in this manner?
More likely a pile on charge if the defense wasn't justified. Kind of like a screwdriver can be burglary tool, or a pipe can be drug paraphernalia id there's dope in it, or a baseball bat can be an illegal club.... Three felonies a day.
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Re: Illegal Kitty Keychain

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Post by rotor » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:34 pm

If you Google them they are sold everywhere as personal defense keychains and in my opinion, for what it's worth, they are an illegal (brass knuckles) weapon in Texas. I would not want to try to sway a jury that they were not a weapon after a Google search.


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Post by OlBill » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:40 pm

That law needs to be changed.

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Re: Illegal Kitty Keychain

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Post by bblhd672 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:48 pm

ScottDLS wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:44 pm
Three felonies a day.
Make enough laws and everyone is a criminal
“Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”
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Re: Illegal Kitty Keychain

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Post by lonestar144 » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:51 pm

That keychain was made specifically as a weapon, like brass knuckles or dagger, not a keychain that "could" be used as one. While a dagger is legal, the resemblance of brass knuckles is not. If someone wants wants a similar item, just get a mini dagger and attach to keychain, purse or even carried in pocket.

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Re: Illegal Kitty Keychain

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Post by flechero » Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:36 pm

brass knuckles- illegal.

pepper spray- good to go
knife- fine
gun- A OK

Maybe the rub is that they just prefer better weapons? :lol:



And if nothing else, the LTC should cover any weapon, not just a handgun. I was taught as a teen to hold keys between the fingers and to clench a fist around the ring... not quite the same impact but does make several holes that could deter someone in short order if needed. So many improvised weapons available... makes it silly to outlaw brass knuckles.

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Post by Deltaboy » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:39 pm

They are used to crush the windpipe , Throat punch and Twist! They used to be made of aluminum or brass, now they are plastic. My Great aunt carried one back in the 1970's and she a Nurse.
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Post by howdy » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:48 pm

I remember bayonet training....jab. twist, pull up....
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Re: Illegal Kitty Keychain

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Post by spectre » Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:50 pm

It's just a key chain.

And this is just a patriotic paper weight.

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Re: Illegal Kitty Keychain

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Post by remington79 » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:01 pm

bblhd672 wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:48 pm
ScottDLS wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 12:44 pm
Three felonies a day.
Make enough laws and everyone is a criminal
“Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”
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That's where Jury Nullification comes into play. There has even been a book written about the 3 felonies a day. https://www.google.com/search?client=op ... 8&oe=UTF-8
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Re: Illegal Kitty Keychain

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Post by OlBill » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:12 pm

lonestar144 wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:51 pm
That keychain was made specifically as a weapon, like brass knuckles or dagger, not a keychain that "could" be used as one. While a dagger is legal, the resemblance of brass knuckles is not. If someone wants wants a similar item, just get a mini dagger and attach to keychain, purse or even carried in pocket.

https://www.dhgate.com/store/product/ne ... 49157.html
Or we could change the law.

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