Question: Chief Law Enforcement Office for NFA FORM 4 Notification

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Question: Chief Law Enforcement Office for NFA FORM 4 Notification

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Post by QB » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:25 pm

I now live in Carrollton, TX (Denton County). I will call the Carrollton Police Department tomorrow but thought I'd ask here: has anyone that lives in Carrollton/Denton County submitted a FORM 4 and if so, who did you use as the Chief Law Enforcement Officer (and address)? Based on the below definition, I "assume" I can use the Carrollton Chief of Police? But I am not sure who has "jurisdiction" over my location (Carrollton, Denton County).

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Each responsible person must provide a notification on this form of the proposed making or acquisition of an NFA firearm to his/her chief law enforcement officer having jurisdiction where the responsible person is located. The chief law enforcement officer is considered to be the Chief of Police; the Sheriff; the Head of the State Police; or a State or local district attorney or prosecutor.
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Re: Question: Chief Law Enforcement Office for NFA FORM 4 Notification

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Post by ScottDLS » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:13 pm

QB wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:25 pm
I now live in Carrollton, TX (Denton County). I will call the Carrollton Police Department tomorrow but thought I'd ask here: has anyone that lives in Carrollton/Denton County submitted a FORM 4 and if so, who did you use as the Chief Law Enforcement Officer (and address)? Based on the below definition, I "assume" I can use the Carrollton Chief of Police? But I am not sure who has "jurisdiction" over my location (Carrollton, Denton County).

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Each responsible person must provide a notification on this form of the proposed making or acquisition of an NFA firearm to his/her chief law enforcement officer having jurisdiction where the responsible person is located. The chief law enforcement officer is considered to be the Chief of Police; the Sheriff; the Head of the State Police; or a State or local district attorney or prosecutor.

Denton County Sheriff will work.
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Re: Question: Chief Law Enforcement Office for NFA FORM 4 Notification

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Post by C-dub » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:23 pm

I wouldn't tell the Carrollton Police department or Chief anything.

Denton County Sheriff for sure.
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Post by SigM4 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:30 am

C-dub wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:23 pm
I wouldn't tell the Carrollton Police department or Chief anything.

Denton County Sheriff for sure.
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Re: Question: Chief Law Enforcement Office for NFA FORM 4 Notification

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Post by QB » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:32 am

Well Carrollton PD fingerprinted me and my trust members but I will send the notification paperwork to the Denton Sheriff as recommended. The new changes to the application certainly made the trust route more cumbersome!!! Thanks for your responses, I want to get the paperwork turned in Wednesday.
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Re: Question: Chief Law Enforcement Office for NFA FORM 4 Notification

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Post by Jago668 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:37 am

I used Garland Police Chief and my SBR went through just fine. It's just a notice not a form they need to do anything with. So doesn't really matter.
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Post by mrvmax » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:59 am

I would pick the agency most likely to sign off.

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Post by ScottDLS » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:12 am

mrvmax wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:59 am
I would pick the agency most likely to sign off.
Agencies don't sign off any more. They are simply notified, by mailing a copy of the form.
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Post by twomillenium » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:31 am

I believe that by State Law that the county sheriff is considered the Chief Law Enforcement officer. I live in Houston Area and as much as HPD chief hates to admit it, The County Sheriff has jurisdiction inside the City/ies, if they choose to do so.
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Re: Question: Chief Law Enforcement Office for NFA FORM 4 Notification

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Post by QB » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:09 am

I jus try completed my forms and used the Denton County Sheriff.....thanks for all the replies. And yes, it's just a notification, something I didn't have to do before the changes that went into effect (I have a trust).
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Re: Question: Chief Law Enforcement Office for NFA FORM 4 Notification

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Post by Jago668 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:39 pm

twomillenium wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:31 am
I believe that by State Law that the county sheriff is considered the Chief Law Enforcement officer. I live in Houston Area and as much as HPD chief hates to admit it, The County Sheriff has jurisdiction inside the City/ies, if they choose to do so.
For the ATF they have their own regulations. Direct from the ATF website, "The chief law enforcement officer is the local chief of police, county sheriff, head of the State police, State or local district attorney or prosecutor."
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Re: Question: Chief Law Enforcement Office for NFA FORM 4 Notification

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Post by C-dub » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:10 pm

QB wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:09 am
I jus try completed my forms and used the Denton County Sheriff.....thanks for all the replies. And yes, it's just a notification, something I didn't have to do before the changes that went into effect (I have a trust).
That’s interesting. I didn’t realize that a trust allowed someone to circumvent having LE sign off on this before. And here I thought these changes only requiring notification were going to make these things easier.
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Re: Question: Chief Law Enforcement Office for NFA FORM 4 Notification

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Post by mrvmax » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:52 pm

ScottDLS wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:12 am
mrvmax wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:59 am
I would pick the agency most likely to sign off.
Agencies don't sign off any more. They are simply notified, by mailing a copy of the form.
It’s been too long since I got mine, I forgot about all the changes.


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Re: Question: Chief Law Enforcement Office for NFA FORM 4 Notification

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Post by twomillenium » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:31 pm

Jago668 wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:39 pm
twomillenium wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:31 am
I believe that by State Law that the county sheriff is considered the Chief Law Enforcement officer. I live in Houston Area and as much as HPD chief hates to admit it, The County Sheriff has jurisdiction inside the City/ies, if they choose to do so.
For the ATF they have their own regulations. Direct from the ATF website, "The chief law enforcement officer is the local chief of police, county sheriff, head of the State police, State or local district attorney or prosecutor."
Not their laws, just what they are willing to accept. In Texas the Chief Law Enforcement Officer is the County Sheriff.
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Re: Question: Chief Law Enforcement Office for NFA FORM 4 Notification

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Post by QB » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:44 pm

Phew.....glad I used the Denton County Sheriff for my paperwork....now yet another wait begins. :bigmouth
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