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Re: The war with Iran

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Post by philip964 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:01 pm



Iran opens fire on protesters, protesting shootdown of Ukrainian airliner then lying about it.

MSM could care less that Iran is murdering young men and women peacefully protesting.

Afterall they liked Trump’s tweet.


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Re: The war with Iran

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Post by philip964 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:26 am

https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-stat ... VG_J8IR4DA

News Anchors on Iranian TV quit - I told you lies.


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Re: The war with Iran

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Post by philip964 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:52 pm

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/14/worl ... video.html

Airliner hit by two missiles 30 seconds apart.

Was it deliberate?

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Re: The war with Iran

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Post by ELB » Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:02 pm

philip964 wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:52 pm
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/14/worl ... video.html

Airliner hit by two missiles 30 seconds apart.

Was it deliberate?
Oh they deliberately shot down the airplane. Launching more than one missile at an airborne target is pretty standard procedure. I do believe though that they misidentified it as hostile, rather than knowingly shot down an airliner. Never ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidity and all that.

If they had wanted Trump to take the blame they would have been prepared with press releases in their own and sympathetic international news media claiming that American drones or stealth aircraft or some such had been spotted in the area and had deliberately used the airliner as a shield. Instead they fumbled around with "mechanical difficulties" for a day or so.
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Re: The war with Iran

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Post by philip964 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:09 pm

Iran is investigating the plane being shot down and is arresting those responsible.

“A person who posted a video online last week of a missile striking the plane has been taken into custody by the elite Revolutionary Guards, the semi-official Fars news agency reported.”

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Re: The war with Iran

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Post by anygunanywhere » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:35 am

ELB wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:02 pm
philip964 wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:52 pm
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/14/worl ... video.html

Airliner hit by two missiles 30 seconds apart.

Was it deliberate?
Oh they deliberately shot down the airplane. Launching more than one missile at an airborne target is pretty standard procedure. I do believe though that they misidentified it as hostile, rather than knowingly shot down an airliner. Never ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidity and all that.

If they had wanted Trump to take the blame they would have been prepared with press releases in their own and sympathetic international news media claiming that American drones or stealth aircraft or some such had been spotted in the area and had deliberately used the airliner as a shield. Instead they fumbled around with "mechanical difficulties" for a day or so.
The flight was a regularly scheduled flight. The military watched this flight depart every day. There is no way to excuse this other than murdering innocents.
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Re: The war with Iran

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Post by ELB » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:36 am

Yes they deliberately shot it down. The fact that it was a regularly scheduled flight does not mean their air defense correctly identified it (nor is misidentification an "excuse.")

The USS Vincennes shot down a regularly scheduled flight as well, after misidentifying it as a hostile even though they had other indications it was a commercial flight. In an earlier career I spent some time reviewing and taping AWACS mission displays of aircraft incidents, and even though our guys are very very good they sometimes make ID errors in the heat of the moment*. Generally they corrected them without catastrophic results from the misidentification.

Given that there was no benefit to Iran to shoot down one of their own airliners full of their own people without a way to pin it on somebody else, the positive (for Iran) reinforcement and mindset that came with previously shooting down a US drone, combined with an attitude like this:
A senior Iranian commander who admitted to Iran's role in the recent downing of a Ukrainian airplane bragged in 2016 that even the youngest Iranian officers have unilateral authority to conduct strikes like the one that downed the Ukrainian plane, killing every civilian aboard, according to video obtained by the Washington Free Beacon.
still pushes the pointer towards "major screw-up".

https://freebeacon.com/national-securit ... wn-planes/

*In fact, this was my first recognition that eye-witness testimony is not necessarily very reliable. I would replay a mission for a weapons controller and asking him to explain what was going on while taping the mission display and his voice. We would let him run through it several times before making the final tape. I was often surprised at how much his explanation would change from the first run-through to the last, as he picked up on things that he hadn't noticed before.
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Re: The war with Iran

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Post by clarionite » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:12 am

philip964 wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:14 pm
https://www.click2houston.com/news/loca ... us-troops/

Trump says no casualties.

Iran won the toss and has elected to receive.

https://news.yahoo.com/where-does-admir ... 36889.html

Where does Admiral Yamamoto go to get his apology.
Admiral Yamamoto has much more of my respect than Soleimani. The Admiral was a gifted military man, following orders that although he didn't agree with he felt that he was the best suited to carry them out. His writings show that he knew he couldn't win. And that he advised the Emperor not to do it. But once he had his orders he did his duty. And Yamamoto attacked military targets. Quite skillfully. That said, his assassination to me was justified. And Soleimani's was an order of magnitude more so.


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Re: The war with Iran

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Post by philip964 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:11 pm

clarionite wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:12 am
philip964 wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:14 pm
https://www.click2houston.com/news/loca ... us-troops/

Trump says no casualties.

Iran won the toss and has elected to receive.

https://news.yahoo.com/where-does-admir ... 36889.html

Where does Admiral Yamamoto go to get his apology.
Admiral Yamamoto has much more of my respect than Soleimani. The Admiral was a gifted military man, following orders that although he didn't agree with he felt that he was the best suited to carry them out. His writings show that he knew he couldn't win. And that he advised the Emperor not to do it. But once he had his orders he did his duty. And Yamamoto attacked military targets. Quite skillfully. That said, his assassination to me was justified. And Soleimani's was an order of magnitude more so.
Did he have the quote - we have awakened a sleeping giant.

Older friend went to Pearl Harbor many years back. On the boat to the Arizona he sat next to a solemn Japanese man and his wife. He asked why he was coming here. To pay my respects. Because of this event many of my friends and relatives died.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-plane-crash-arrest

Iranians copying the Hillary play book. Arresting the video maker. No doubt they will blame him for the whole thing.


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Re: The war with Iran

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Post by clarionite » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:07 pm

philip964 wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:11 pm

Did he have the quote - we have awakened a sleeping giant.

Older friend went to Pearl Harbor many years back. On the boat to the Arizona he sat next to a solemn Japanese man and his wife. He asked why he was coming here. To pay my respects. Because of this event many of my friends and relatives died.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-plane-crash-arrest

Iranians copying the Hillary play book. Arresting the video maker. No doubt they will blame him for the whole thing.
Yes, that was him. Along with many other great quotes.


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Re: The war with Iran

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Post by philip964 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:34 pm

https://news.yahoo.com/neda-agha-soltan ... 41118.html

Blood of Iranian protestors in the streets.


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Re: The war with Iran

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Post by philip964 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:10 am

https://www.dailywire.com/news/democrat ... ign=pepple

US House votes to not condemn Iran for murdering 1500 protesters and murdering 171 aboard that airliner they shot down.


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Re: The war with Iran

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Post by philip964 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:56 am

http://news.trust.org/item/20200121092957-pp44x

3 million dollar bounty placed on Trump by Iran lawmaker.

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Re: The war with Iran

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Post by TexasFlash » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:28 pm

philip964 wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:56 am
http://news.trust.org/item/20200121092957-pp44x

3 million dollar bounty placed on Trump by Iran lawmaker.
INCOMING!!

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Re: The war with Iran

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Post by bbhack » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:32 pm

TexasFlash wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:28 pm
philip964 wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:56 am
http://news.trust.org/item/20200121092957-pp44x

3 million dollar bounty placed on Trump by Iran lawmaker.
INCOMING!!
I never saw Austin Powers, but that sounds like the bad guy holding the world hostage for $1 million. :lol:
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