Fallout from the Maryville Baptist Church murder

[seamusTX]

The reprehensible murder of a pastor in his pulpit has fueled debates about allowing licensed concealed carry in places of worship.

Church security expert calls for comprehensive security plans, including parishioners with concealed-carry licenses (near the end of the article): http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/09/church.security/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ohio: http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_ ... ml?sid=101" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Arkansas, where a bill allowing concealed carry recently failed in the legislature: http://www.abpnews.com/index.php?option ... &Itemid=53" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It seems the antis are at a loss for words in light of this incident. The killer broke at least half a dozen laws (it is illegal for an ordinary citizen to carry a loaded firearm anywhere in Illinois except while hunting). No one can credibly say that yet another law would have stopped him.

- Jim

[AEA]

True......

Unfortunately, the Anti's are not interested in the truth. they are only interested in using emotional intimidation to further their cause of a total ban of 2A rights.

[stevie_d_64]

With all the shootings (around the world), and the enthusiatic reporting by the main stream media, it is going to be obvious that the powers at be will be deciding if it is time to step in and pull their own legislative trigger...

Gonzales, Texas just had one yesterday I believe...

Germany school shooting (active)

And the one yesterday in Alabama...

My first thought was what happened to some people yesterday???

[seamusTX]

All these killers were lunatics. There is no rational explanation for what they did. Some might have rationalized it by claiming that the world had been unfair to them, or maybe the Alabama killer's mother liked his sister better than him. However, normal people (which is 99.999% of the population) deal with these issues without violence.

The fact that several happen in a short time is just a statistical blip, like two unrelated plane crashes the same day.

It also can't be repeated often enough that every day, millions of people go to the range, go hunting. or carry a sidearm (LEOs and non-LEOs) with no one getting hurt. These lunatics are a tiny fraction of the population.

- Jim

[SkipB]

Very well put Jim

[seamusTX]

Thank you.

Another fact that we need to keep to keep repeating until the uninformed get it: No amount of "gun control" laws can stop determined killers.

The lunatic in Germany who killed 11 people was 17 years old. Although I don't know much about German law, I am sure his possession of a handgun was illegal. Germany also has mandatory safe storage laws, so it should not be possible for a minor to get a weapon from his father's sock drawer.

This week in Northern Ireland, terrorists shot a policeman. Handguns are completely banned for private ownership in the U.K. and Ireland. The IRA and related groups have had no trouble obtaining firearms, bombs, and other contraband for over three decades.

When antis say that only the police and military should have firearms, we need to point out that even those groups have members who occasionally kill their family members or use their service pieces criminally in other ways, including providing protection to criminal gangs.

- Jim

[jimlongley]

My first thought was what happened to some people yesterday???

Full Moon

[seamusTX]

The moon was full yesterday, but statistical analysis has shown time and again that there is no correllation between human behavior (except maybe necking) and the full moon: http://skepdic.com/fullmoon.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

- Jim

[Liberty]

The moon was full yesterday, but statistical analysis has shown time and again that there is no correllation between human behavior (except maybe necking) and the full moon: http://skepdic.com/fullmoon.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

- Jim

Maybe yesterday was the day a lot of people received their 401K reports.

[MCook806]

The moon was full yesterday, but statistical analysis has shown time and again that there is no correllation between human behavior (except maybe necking) and the full moon: http://skepdic.com/fullmoon.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

- Jim

I don't know. I like to yote hunt under a full moon. :)

[AJSully421]

My first thought was what happened to some people yesterday???

Full Moon

that was EXACTLY what I was thinking too.

[DEADEYE1964]

All these killers were lunatics. There is no rational explanation for what they did. Some might have rationalized it by claiming that the world had been unfair to them, or maybe the Alabama killer's mother liked his sister better than him. However, normal people (which is 99.999% of the population) deal with these issues without violence.

The fact that several happen in a short time is just a statistical blip, like two unrelated plane crashes the same day.

It also can't be repeated often enough that every day, millions of people go to the range, go hunting. or carry a sidearm (LEOs and non-LEOs) with no one getting hurt. These lunatics are a tiny fraction of the population.

- Jim

Exactly Jim but you know the media will not see it that way. It looks like we have only one true alli in the media and that is Glen Beck on Fox news channel, he has a big special Friday evening, he has been on a big God and Guns kick. At least he tells the truth.

[hirundo82]

Another fact that we need to keep to keep repeating until the uninformed get it: No amount of "gun control" laws can stop determined killers.

The lunatic in Germany who killed 11 people was 17 years old. Although I don't know much about German law, I am sure his possession of a handgun was illegal. Germany also has mandatory safe storage laws, so it should not be possible for a minor to get a weapon from his father's sock drawer.

According to the media coverage, Germany raised the age for ownership of "sporting" firearms from 19 to 21 in the wake of another school shooting there in 2002. And of course Germany has gun registration, licensing requirements, etc.

As tragic as the events in Germany and Alabama are, it does serve to illustrate our point: no amount of gun control is going to stop someone determined on committing mass murder from obtaining firearms; once someone has decided to commit the ultimate illegal act (murder) they do not care what other laws they break to carry out that goal. Such laws will only prevent law-abiding citizens from having effective means to defend themselves.

[stevie_d_64]

My first thought was what happened to some people yesterday???

Full Moon

Yep...

[dac1842]

As I discussed with some gun control supporters. Murder is illegal, no matter the means. If we ban guns because that is the preferred method, then all we do is take legal guns out of legals people's hands. But going with their logic, I asked are we going to ban beer and cars? More people die due to drunk driving than they do with guns. Are we going to ban knifes? if we take away all the guns, then stabbings will increase, Are we going to ban cigarettes? more people die from self inflicted injury due to cigarrettes, which is suicide by definition.
By the time I reached the cigarette comment they we still stampering and studdering trying to thinkg of a come back to the beer and cars remark. The bottom line is simple, if someone is bent on killing, then they will use whatever resource is available.