I have a couple of questions here. First - I went to a data center today (co-location facility) and they had a ghostbusters sign that referenced it being illegal to carry a handgun on the premises because of 4413 (29ee). Well, I can't seem to find the text of 4413(29ee). I have seen that 46.02 references 4413 (29ee), but that doesn't help me with the text of that statute.
Also, I know that sign wouldn't apply to me because I carry under 30.06. But this place required that I hand them my driver's license in order to gain entry. Well, 30.06 requires that I carry both a DL and a CHL while I am carrying. Opinions on this (and don't give me anything about not turning over my DL)? Was I legal without my DL since I was on private property and my DL was on the same property, just not under my direct control? I have some thoughts, but I would like to hear your opinions as well.
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4413e is old law, and you are not under obligation to obey signs referencing it.
You only have to show your CHL to Peace Officers and magistrates when they ask for your ID.
You don't carry under 30.06. 30.06 is the trespass by a CHL holder statute. It does not reference carrying your DL and CHL at all.
The Texas Government Code, 411 H. references carrying your CHL.
Bottom line, you could legally carry there if no 30.06 sign was posted and the place was not a prohibited place under 46.03 or 46.035. You had no obligation to show your CHL
You only have to show your CHL to Peace Officers and magistrates when they ask for your ID.
You don't carry under 30.06. 30.06 is the trespass by a CHL holder statute. It does not reference carrying your DL and CHL at all.
The Texas Government Code, 411 H. references carrying your CHL.
Bottom line, you could legally carry there if no 30.06 sign was posted and the place was not a prohibited place under 46.03 or 46.035. You had no obligation to show your CHL
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There are folks who have both a DL and a DPS-issued ID card... would something like that work in this kind of situation? I.e. give 'em the ID & hang on to the DL?
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It wasn't "Energy Providers", but I bet the process is fairly similar for a lot of them.dpatterson wrote:Sounds like you were visiting a Energy Providers data center... Theres one in Dallas that sounds just like what your describing...
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And yes, I could get a separate TX ID and then I could always have that... but I didn't have it yesterday. So I did what I thought was best and safest and now I am concerned that it might not have been legal. I have only been with my new company for 4 days and I didn't exactly want to tell my co-worker why I needed back into his truck for 30 seconds...
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I think it is a mistake to surrender your ID documents to anyone other than a police officer.
I absolutely would not do so for someone's hair-brained security program. Just tell them you don't have a DL. That always proves interesting...
Anyway, for a lot of reasons don't give up your DL. If they want to look at it ... maybe ok... but your DL number in the wrong hands is not a good thing.
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I absolutely would not do so for someone's hair-brained security program. Just tell them you don't have a DL. That always proves interesting...
Anyway, for a lot of reasons don't give up your DL. If they want to look at it ... maybe ok... but your DL number in the wrong hands is not a good thing.
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Kalrog wrote:I have a couple of questions here. First - I went to a data center today (co-location facility) and they had a ghostbusters sign that referenced it being illegal to carry a handgun on the premises because of 4413 (29ee). Well, I can't seem to find the text of 4413(29ee). I have seen that 46.02 references 4413 (29ee), but that doesn't help me with the text of that statute.
Also, I know that sign wouldn't apply to me because I carry under 30.06. But this place required that I hand them my driver's license in order to gain entry. Well, 30.06 requires that I carry both a DL and a CHL while I am carrying. Opinions on this (and don't give me anything about not turning over my DL)? Was I legal without my DL since I was on private property and my DL was on the same property, just not under my direct control? I have some thoughts, but I would like to hear your opinions as well.
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As I said before... I don't want advice about not giving up the ID. This is a service that my company is contracting for and we like the security and agreed to the procedures. They don't require a DL, but they do require a state ID of some sort - for me that means DL as I don't have any other kind to show.
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.required that I hand them my driver's license in order to gain entry
Well, 30.06 requires that I carry both a DL and a CHL while I am carrying.
Sorry, I focused on these quotes and overlooked your mention about not wanting comments on turning your DL over.Was I legal without my DL since I was on private property
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Either i am not looking in the correct location, or am simply missing it, But can you point me to the place in 30.06 that requires the DL? (just trying to keep up)Kalrog wrote:Well, 30.06 requires that I carry both a DL and a CHL while I am carrying..
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It doesn't, and I already pointed that out.lrb111 wrote:Either i am not looking in the correct location, or am simply missing it, But can you point me to the place in 30.06 that requires the DL? (just trying to keep up)Kalrog wrote:Well, 30.06 requires that I carry both a DL and a CHL while I am carrying..
The Texas Government Code, Section 411 (H) requires you to present your Texas ID or DL to a peace officer of magistrate upon demand that you ID yourself, if you are carrying a handgun.
In essence, you have to carry either a TX DL or ID while carrying a concealed handgun.
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I was just noew looking for a link i had. In a nutshell it says that anyone that accepts a DL or Texas Id for Id purposes must also accept a CHL for ID purposes.txinvestigator wrote:It doesn't, and I already pointed that out.lrb111 wrote:Either i am not looking in the correct location, or am simply missing it, But can you point me to the place in 30.06 that requires the DL? (just trying to keep up)Kalrog wrote:Well, 30.06 requires that I carry both a DL and a CHL while I am carrying..
The Texas Government Code, Section 411 (H) requires you to present your Texas ID or DL to a peace officer of magistrate upon demand that you ID yourself, if you are carrying a handgun.
In essence, you have to carry either a TX DL or ID while carrying a concealed handgun.
IIRC, was on one of the Texas sites. It surprised me.
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I have never read that. If you find it please post it here, I'll add it to my bookmarks and paste it into my frequent laws.lrb111 wrote:I was just noew looking for a link i had. In a nutshell it says that anyone that accepts a DL or Texas Id for Id purposes must also accept a CHL for ID purposes.txinvestigator wrote:It doesn't, and I already pointed that out.lrb111 wrote:Either i am not looking in the correct location, or am simply missing it, But can you point me to the place in 30.06 that requires the DL? (just trying to keep up)Kalrog wrote:Well, 30.06 requires that I carry both a DL and a CHL while I am carrying..
The Texas Government Code, Section 411 (H) requires you to present your Texas ID or DL to a peace officer of magistrate upon demand that you ID yourself, if you are carrying a handgun.
In essence, you have to carry either a TX DL or ID while carrying a concealed handgun.
IIRC, was on one of the Texas sites. It surprised me.
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