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Abraham wrote: Plus, you're only as fire safe as your riskiest neighbor. If he or she falls asleep with a cigarette in his mouth...or does something stupid in the kitchen...you're potential toast.
There was a large high rise here in Houston that had a fire from someone sleeping with a cigarette or a laptop burst into flames, don't remember which. Two fire fighters were killed fighting the fire. The high rise was not fire sprinklered. The units above the fire were damaged from smoke, the units below the fire were damaged from water. The entire building was closed for at least a year for one fire in one unit.

Fires are rare, but plumbing leaks are not. Water from leaking showers washers overflowing, etc. damage the units below.

Many apartments have been converted to condos. They are usually old and need repairs to basic infrastructure. Often after you move in you can be hit with assessments for things like replacing or coating all the water pipes. The HOA wants a big chunck of money all at once. One friend got hit with a $7500 assessment within a year of buying.
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I will throw in my 2 pennies worth. I would make use of a realtor but I would keep in mind the conflict of interest that every realtor has, on bothe buying and selling end of things. They are influenced by commission... On both ends. The more you pay, the more each side makes... The longer the seller holds out... The higher the expenses go for the listing agent.

While you would like to believe your realtor is focused on your side of the deal, don't kid yourself. The realtor you have hired to find you a place will want you to buy for as much as you can pay. The realtor on the selling end will want you to sell as quick as possible. Time is money! Lord knows... It is all about money.

That being said. I used a realtor to buy my home and my favorite quote was... "You don't want to make an offer that low and risk insulting the seller". LOL... I have heard more than one realtor say these very words. They want the sell to happen quick. You think they like driving you all over town at their nickel? Right!

The selling realtor is going to tell the seller they better take the offer as the market is soft... LOL. It is a big game.

That being said. I wold use a realtor so the contracts and what not are handled properly. Just remember hey don't give two hoots about you. They do like your money! I have total respect for this! Just remember it.

I offered 40k less than what the asking price was on my home and was told that I would insult the seller. LOL... I said to make the offer anyway and if they took it as an insult... So be it. They took the offer. That was 1996! I can only imagine the deal a person could score now. Laugh at the realtor when they act as if they are worried about "insulting" the seller. WHO CARES IF THE SELLER IS INSULTED?

It is a buyers market!!

I'm not sure I like the condo option. I have not personally purchased a condo(apartment). The few people I know who have are regretting it.

That being said, I might consider one of those yuppie type condones that resemble apartments. It might be cool to live in a high rise apartment with restraunts and shops on the first floor. I am single and the kids are all gone. Having access to sinle women in my age range on a regular basis with the socialization might be nice. I'm in a 2800 square foot house and it was great when the kids were growing up but now it feels empty at times. :(

A realtor isn't required but I would get one and make them do as I say when it comes to offer time.

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JALLEN wrote:Generally the listing broker gets paid a commission the same whether you have a selling agent representing the buyer or not. You might as well have one, as it costs nothing extra. The agent may also be helpful in finding and qualifying for a loan, through his/her contacts.

There is a lot more to this of course.
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OK so a Realtor... Thanks for all the help so far, but how do I tell a "good" Realtor from a bad one? I don't have any references to go by.

If anyone has any suggestions and feels the need to PM them to be by all means... I am going by my bank this weekend to get pre-approved so hopefully soon I will be ready to hit this big time.

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My vote would be to go with a Realtor. The cost is passed on to the seller and it's well worth the peace of mind.

If the concern for a house versuses a condominium is upkeep in grounds, don't be too discouraged. For the price of HOA/condo fees, you could find a neighborhood kid or some service to mow and maintain the lawn. That might not cover other external upkeep such as painting, but a condo would most likely pass those costs on anyway. For me, privacy and fire risk outweigh the other factors.
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daniel2002p wrote:OK so a Realtor... Thanks for all the help so far, but how do I tell a "good" Realtor from a bad one? I don't have any references to go by.

If anyone has any suggestions and feels the need to PM them to be by all means... I am going by my bank this weekend to get pre-approved so hopefully soon I will be ready to hit this big time.

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Ask around, your colleagues, your bank, church, etc., call a few whose signs you see driving around, and listen very carefully to how they present themselves. You have dealt with people all your life and now you can put that to good use.

The older I get, the more I have realized that the ability to chose who you associate with is a huge factor in happiness and success. I get people in my office all the time who have placed their trust in someone who turns out to be untrustworthy, at horrible cost. I have gotten to the point that I am cynical, suspicious and mistrustful of my fellow man, unfortunately.

Reagan said it best..... "trust, but verify!" It helps enormously to get knowledgeable before transacting important business.

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The home owners association question inspired me to comment. There seems to be a wide variety of home owners associations. The one in my neighborhood is voluntary and does very little to help keep the neighborhood in line. On the other end of the spectrum are HOA's that get involved in everything from the color you paint your house to what kind and color dog you may own. My brother is in a neighborhood with a couple old retired guys driving around measuring the length of weeds with dial calipers. No kidding, he was planning to have his house painted and they have a list of "approved" colors. Somehow they are able to enforce the rules... Legally! In my neighborhood I have a guy next door who just built a storage building out of wafer board. The thing looks like a chicken coup. Our HOA can't do anything about it.
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For choosing a Realtor, whatever you do don't just go with your friend's cousin or your brother's old roommate or the friend of a friend from church. Find out things like how many homes they've sold in the last year, how many days their listings average on the market, what their list to sell ratio is (I know you're not selling, but if they can't sell do you think they're really good at the other stuff?), and whether or not this is their full-time job. Nothing against part-timers, but that's not really who you want and they'll be less available to you since they also have a day job. Choose someone you feel like you have a good rapport with; you'll be dealing with them a lot and you want to be comfortable asking them questions and things. Do they listen to you and what you want? Yes, they may make suggestions and offer advice that's different from what you're thinking, but there's that and then there's just plain railroading you.

As before, just my opinion.
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MotherBear wrote:For choosing a Realtor, whatever you do don't just go with your friend's cousin or your brother's old roommate or the friend of a friend from church. Find out things like how many homes they've sold in the last year, how many days their listings average on the market, what their list to sell ratio is (I know you're not selling, but if they can't sell do you think they're really good at the other stuff?), and whether or not this is their full-time job. Nothing against part-timers, but that's not really who you want and they'll be less available to you since they also have a day job. Choose someone you feel like you have a good rapport with; you'll be dealing with them a lot and you want to be comfortable asking them questions and things. Do they listen to you and what you want? Yes, they may make suggestions and offer advice that's different from what you're thinking, but there's that and then there's just plain railroading you.

As before, just my opinion.
Is there a good place to start looking? Maybe a website that shows the realtors or something. I know a couple from some coworkers but don't like them at all since I've actually met them before when they were moving in.

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I found ours via a door-hanger she left and I liked the results when I Googled her. Maybe do a search for "real estate agent [your neighborhood]" or something and start to see who has lots of hits that look legitimate? Ours was mentioned in a lot of neighborhood newsletters and a lot of real estate news things for awards she won and so on. She was even quoted in the community paper as an expert on the real estate market in her area.

If you're a Dave Ramsey type person (or even if you're not, I suppose) you could try his endorsed local provider service and see if you like the response you get: http://www.daveramsey.com/elp/realestate/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; That's how we found our financial guy and we like him really well, but we didn't try it for a realtor since I checked out the other one first and liked her really well.

If you know what area you want to move into, maybe see if you can figure out what agents or agencies are big in the area. Either drive around and look for signs, or get on a site like Zillow, pull up your area, and see who has a lot of listings. If you do it that way, go for someone whose listings actually look attractive -- not necessarily things you'd buy, but nicely done listings. There are the well-lit professional photos, and then there are the photos of a bathroom showing half the toilet, some wall and a big chunk of ceiling. The latter isn't likely the person you want handling your real estate transaction. Your realtor doesn't need to be a good photographer, but if he can't recognize that he needs to hire someone else to do his photography, what else is he confidently doing wrong?

The big thing to bear in mind is that meeting with someone doesn't mean you're under contract with them -- so if they rub you the wrong way you can just say thanks but no thanks and try the next guy.
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Ok step one is done, I have a pre approval from my bank. Second step meeting with realtor is this Saturday. First time buying a house is all kind of nervous lol.

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daniel2002p wrote:Ok step one is done, I have a pre approval from my bank. Second step meeting with realtor is this Saturday. First time buying a house is all kind of nervous lol.
Talk with the realtor about what you want and don't want. Evaluate his or her questions and comments, and general attitude. Is this someone you think you can work with on what's probably the most expensive undertaking in your life so far? Don't sign any agreement unless you're sure.

When you start looking at homes, take pictures if you can. Definitely take notes soon after the showing, while your memory is fresh. Written or voice notes don't matter as much as capturing your impressions ASAP. If the showings change your list of do/don't wants, update your list and tell your realtor. Think about the little things too. For example, I once lived in an older house with no power outlets in the bathroom. Only by living there did I realize how inconvenient it was not being able to charge my electric razor in the bathroom, use a hair blower, etc.
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daniel2002p wrote:
MotherBear wrote:For choosing a Realtor, whatever you do don't just go with your friend's cousin or your brother's old roommate or the friend of a friend from church. Find out things like how many homes they've sold in the last year, how many days their listings average on the market, what their list to sell ratio is (I know you're not selling, but if they can't sell do you think they're really good at the other stuff?), and whether or not this is their full-time job. Nothing against part-timers, but that's not really who you want and they'll be less available to you since they also have a day job. Choose someone you feel like you have a good rapport with; you'll be dealing with them a lot and you want to be comfortable asking them questions and things. Do they listen to you and what you want? Yes, they may make suggestions and offer advice that's different from what you're thinking, but there's that and then there's just plain railroading you.

As before, just my opinion.
Is there a good place to start looking? Maybe a website that shows the realtors or something. I know a couple from some coworkers but don't like them at all since I've actually met them before when they were moving in.

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I have three different colleagues who are all REMAX agents, and all three of them are very competent. One of them is and remains my first and bestest friend here in Texas (he's the one who introduced me to deer hunting and dove hunting in Texas). When I started house hunting here, I was by myself, and my wife had not moved out here to join me yet because my son's school year wasn't over yet. I just looked up a whole bunch of homes online (Realtor.com) and I just drove around and looked at them from the outside to kind of get a sense of what kind of house you could get for how much. At one point, I was looking for a local BofA branch to open an account. It was supposed to be located right across the street from my friend's REMAX office (I didn't know him yet at the time). Turned out the bank was there all along and I had been staring right at it, but it just wasn't registering. The really funny part is this: I walked into the REMAX office just to ask if someone could point me to the bank branch, and that is when H. walked up, introduced himself, and allowed as he didn't know where the bank was (right there across the street). I introduced myself, told him that my family was moving into the area, and that I was trying to get my banking transferred. He asked if I was house hunting yet or if I had retained a realtor yet, and I told him not yet. H. handed me his card and said that he'd be glad to show us around whenever we were ready.

So 2 or 3 weeks later, my wife flew out here for a weekend, and I called H. up and asked him to take us around. He was really patient with us, and he was brave enough to suggest alternatives that we had not considered. We were not familiar with the local market, and we were used to California pricing—we bought our first home in Pasadena for $170,000 in July 1999. It was built in 1947, was only 1122 sq ft, and was located on an unremarkable 6,000 sq ft lot. Just shy of seven years later, we sold that same house—desperately in need of upgrades—for $530,000. Two weeks later, the real estate bubble burst, and the guy who bought our home is sitting on a $530,000 home worth only $340,000. That same house wouldn't sell for $100,000 in my local Grapevine market today.

And that brings me to buyer's/seller's markets and realtor knowledge about the local market you're looking in. 03LightningRocks posted above that it's a buyer's market. Maybe where he lives that is true. It is NOT currently true in the Grapevine/Southlake/Colleyville area this week. It might be true a month from now. Your realtor is going to know this about your local market. What applies in my area may not be the same in your part of the state. Heck, it might not apply in the next county over. This same REMAX realtor who told my referrals group this information this morning was telling us just a couple of months ago that it was a buyer's market back then. Markets change.....and they can even change rapidly. She may sound self-serving when she says that it is currently a seller's market, because she'll make more commissions in that kind of market, but she had no other reason than personal honesty to advise us when it was a buyer's market.....and she did so anyway.

As far as knowledge of local markets, she (the same person as above) gave an example this morning of a $1.3 million property she is showing, and she had to extend out to a 5 mile radius to find comps because this is a 20 acre property and there just aren't any others like it closer in. All the closer properties to this one are smaller, regular suburban properties, and there just isn't anything comparable in the closer area. It takes a knowledgeable realtor to know where to find the comps when there isn't anything at a more normal distance; but those comps are absolutely necessary to informing the buyer about a purchase that will be one of the most significant ever in his or her life.

My son and DIL just bought a home in December in North Richland Hills.....their first home. My friend H. represented them too. They found a 60 year old house (literally....it was built the year I was born) that the sellers had bought, fixed up, and flipped. They got 1800 sq ft with all new hardwood floors and builtins etc., on a HALF ACRE for in a pretty decent neighborhood for $120,000. It was more home than they ever hoped to find, and they were wondering if they would ever afford to own something bigger than a crackerbox. Instead of a crackerbox, they got a MUCH better starter home than than I had for my first home, and certainly better than they would have gotten for themselves without a realtor to represent them.

By the way, I am NOT pumping for REMAX here. It just so happens that these three people I mentioned are REMAX agents, but all working out of different offices. My friend H. has risen from being just another realtor to being part owner of that office. But I have met several realtors from other franchises, all of whom I would be comfortable dealing with if I were new to the market and did not have any preexisting relationship with my own realtor.

Go with a realtor. If you put in all the effort you could possibly do for a whole year before buying, you could NEVER equal the experience and knowledge of someone who has been a successful realtor for 15 or 20 years or more. Keep in mind that "successful" means that they are doing well financially BECAUSE they have a track record of very satisfied customers.
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JALLEN wrote:Generally the listing broker gets paid a commission the same whether you have a selling agent representing the buyer or not. You might as well have one, as it costs nothing extra. The agent may also be helpful in finding and qualifying for a loan, through his/her contacts.

There is a lot more to this of course.
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house prices are inflated at least 6%. Seller never pays agent fees...like corporations don't pay taxes...we do. I bought my house w/o an agent and dropped the price 3% off the bat, with the argument being that listing agent should only get 3%. then came the real price negotiation. irritated the listing agent. I pinned the seller against his listing agent. Listing agent only got 3% commission. So, yeah it does cost the buyer if you use an agent.

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Texas_Blaze wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:
JALLEN wrote:Generally the listing broker gets paid a commission the same whether you have a selling agent representing the buyer or not. You might as well have one, as it costs nothing extra. The agent may also be helpful in finding and qualifying for a loan, through his/her contacts.

There is a lot more to this of course.
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house prices are inflated at least 6%. Seller never pays agent fees...like corporations don't pay taxes...we do. I bought my house w/o an agent and dropped the price 3% off the bat, with the argument being that listing agent should only get 3%. then came the real price negotiation. irritated the listing agent. I pinned the seller against his listing agent. Listing agent only got 3% commission. So, yeah it does cost the buyer if you use an agent.

Agents do not provide legal advice. If you don't understand the contract. Don't buy.
So then what........hire a lawyer to read the contract? It is absolutely unrealistic to expect an uninitiated person to navigate all the legally required complexities. The commission is definitely worth the peace of mind. All you "go it alone" buyers in this thread have some experience with this stuff, but it is extraordinarily bad advice to a young person buying his first residential real estate. Maybe after he's been through it once, then maybe yeah he can try it........if he is well enough capitalized to handle all the things that go into it. "If you don't understand the contract, don't buy" simply means that most people will then never buy. Because truthfully, I've been through this twice now and I am NOT an idiot, and I have a reasonably high IQ, but I would not want to do this without representation. You're right, agents do NOT provide legal advice, and a conscientious agent will remind you of this fact. But a conscientious agent will also be knowledgeable about the market in a way that someone who buys maybe 2 or 3 homes in his entire life could never be.....not to mention having access to all the MLS listings, etc, and warning the client (which has happened to me) when there was something scootchy about the listing. I've been warned away from overpriced properties, so while they are definitely trying to make commission, they are also trying to earn that commission. A good realtor makes sure that your pride goeth not before your fall.

And by the way, agents fees come out of the price paid to the seller.....so yeah, a seller can always try and build that into their sell price, but a conscientious agent will also advise the seller when their price is too high......which CAN be actually in the seller's agent's interest. If the house is priced too high, it will not move; and then the seller's agent gets nothing. My colleague who was speaking this morning at my referral group meeting talked about having had to advise a seller in the past that she was probably not the correct agent for the seller because the seller did not want to list his property at a realistic price. Better to get 3% of a realistic price than 3% of nothing. In fact, when I sold my home in California at $530,000, I wanted to list it at $545K, but my realtor said it probably wouldn't move at that price (we sold literally two weeks before the California housing bubble burst in 2006. He suggested listing it at $535K and advised us to take the first offer that came close to that. We had the first offer come in at $530, with traditional 20% down + mortgage funding, and 2 or 3 other offers that were higher, but wanted special payment concessions and adjustments to the terms that did not work in our favor. In the end, we took the $530K deal, because it was the BEST offer, even though it was $15K less than I wanted to list it for. In retrospect, the only way we could have gotten that price would have been to carry the paper and spend a lot of money on repairs and upgrades that we badly wanted to avoid. THAT advice we got worked in the buyer's favor from a pricing standpoint, and in our favor from a risk standpoint. If you can afford to assume the risks for yourself, then by all means handle it without representation. But that's a risk I'm unwilling to assume, and it is unwise for a first time buyer to assume those risks if he cannot afford a loss.

But to each his own......
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