CHL radio ad

[dihappy]

I get tired of hearing folks say stuff like, "he's great, he says what's on his mind", etc. As if being rude were a virtue.

The guy seems racist to me, and tried to be "christian" by saying "non-christian arabs". I seriously doubt any Christian Arab would feel comfortable sitting in that class. Besides, if an Arab terrorist was hell bent on taking his class, I'm sure he'd lie and say he were Christian.

Like it's been said, you shouldn't stereotype someone because others of the same race or religion have done horrible things. There are folks of Arab descent and practicing Islam who have fought for this country.

Likewise, there are white, republican, Christians who have hated and killed innocents in this country like Tim McVeigh.

Finally, i just want to say that my God can do anything, even transform the heart of a non-believer. I've seen it happen. We should live our lives as a testimony to His power and love. Excluding, hating, or alienating folks isn't a good way of winning anyone to Christ.

[v-rog]

The add is very unprofessional and it says a lot about the attitude of the person behind it. At the minimum, the add portrays an elitist type of person that excludes a certain amount of the population based on their race and political standing. He classifies those who voted for President Obama as liberals & socialists which is not necessarily true. We don't live in a black & white world- AND the world is not flat, it is round!

So, Let start with the Bill of Rights which set's the national stage for an attitude of acceptance and equality

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishing of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech or the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Now, let's look at civil rights:

U.S. Code Title 42, Chapter 21 -- Civil Rights (FindLaw)
Title 42, Chapter 21 of the U.S. Code prohibits discrimination against persons based on age, disability, gender, race, national origin, and religion (among other things) in a number of settings
-- including education, employment, access to businesses and buildings, federal services, and more. Chapter 21 is where a number of federal acts related to civil rights have been codified
-- including the Civil Rights Act of 1866, Civil Rights Act of 1964, and the Civil Rights of Institutionalized Persons Act.

I could go on and on but my point is we can become the very people that we despise and WE carry guns too! (many wars have begun which were based on religious ideals, extermination). SO, for me it is not some random joke, especially when it is BROADCAST over the airways!

[C-dub]

Actually, no. There are only certain activities which are illegal to discriminate. General discrimination is not against the law.

It is against the law to discriminate in employment, housing, or any activity or group where you receive Federal funds. There is no law stating it's illegal to discriminate in the teaching of a CHL class based on race or religion, unless you receive Federal funds to teach the class. Is it socially and/or morally wrong? Perhaps. But people discriminate all the time: social clubs, community organizations, etc. For example, you are not allowed to enter a Mormon Temple unless you're a Mormon - and one certified by your Bishop to be a Mormon in good standing at that. One could argue that's discrimination based on religion and they'd be right, yet it's perfectly legal.

Curious for my own understanding, what stops this same guy who let's say owns a restaurant from saying "NO *insert protected group here* allowed" ? This is what you see in all the history books happened in the south in the mid-1900s with "No Coloreds Allowed" signs etc., and that doesn't happen anymore. Why not? I thought there was a Federal law forbidding such signs.

Thank you A-R. This is exactly what I was thinking about.

[wgoforth]

The add is very unprofessional and it says a lot about the attitude of the person behind it. At the minimum, the add portrays an elitist type of person that excludes a certain amount of the population based on their race and political standing. He classifies those who voted for President Obama as liberals & socialists which is not necessarily true. We don't live in a black & white world- AND the world is not flat, it is round!

So, Let start with the Bill of Rights which set's the national stage for an attitude of acceptance and equality

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishing of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech or the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Now, let's look at civil rights:

U.S. Code Title 42, Chapter 21 -- Civil Rights (FindLaw)
Title 42, Chapter 21 of the U.S. Code prohibits discrimination against persons based on age, disability, gender, race, national origin, and religion (among other things) in a number of settings
-- including education, employment, access to businesses and buildings, federal services, and more. Chapter 21 is where a number of federal acts related to civil rights have been codified
-- including the Civil Rights Act of 1866, Civil Rights Act of 1964, and the Civil Rights of Institutionalized Persons Act.

I could go on and on but my point is we can become the very people that we despise and WE carry guns too! (many wars have begun which were based on religious ideals, extermination). SO, for me it is not some random joke, especially when it is BROADCAST over the airways!

The Civil Rights law is a little harder to get around, but the Bill of Rights is not. The Bill of Rights was about limiting the gvt, not the individual. The quote you offered was that CONGRESS shall make no law... CONGRESS. INDIVIDUALS and private organizations limit my constitutional freedoms all the time. Stores that put up a 30.06 limit my second amendment rights. They may do so but Congree cannot. My son was going to college and orientation was planned for a Sunday during worship time. My son inquired about going to church services, their answer was "tough. you have to miss." They violated his freedom of worship. They may do so, they aren't Congress. I can go somewhere else if their horse doesn't fit my saddle. If someone came to my class and said I will have to stop twice during class to ceremonially bathe and perform the salat (the bowing/praying facing mecca), then I would have to tell them that we cannot stop the class for them and they cannot miss the material I am covering, go somewhere else.

I think we are making too big a deal out of his ad. We all recognize it was for a laugh.. and he got it, and a ton of publicity in the process. Do you hear the media jumping on him about this? I suggest we laugh it off and move on rather than dissect this to peices. My prediction: Ol' Crockett is going to have a packed class!

[longtooth]

You are right my brother. I also promice:
If guberment anti-discrimination laws forces me to let someone set in my class that I feel is a national, state threat or a character discredit to CHL then I will exersize my right as an instructor to write that letter to DPS listing the evidence I observed, any statements I heard. Tell them "this" person needs to be interviewed further & background CAREFULLY checked before granting. It will be the evidence & not the religion.

[RiverCity.45]

I have to shake my head in dismay when I see people equate opposition to unadulterated bigotry with "political correctness." Pitiful.

[dihappy]

I agree and not just cuz your from San Antonio :)

[tallmike]

I have to shake my head in dismay when I see people equate opposition to unadulterated bigotry with "political correctness." Pitiful.

Agreed. I am amazed by how many Christians embrace such non-Christian behavior and hold it up as something to aspire to or reward.

[The Annoyed Man]

If you are a socialist liberal and/or voted for the current Campaigner-in-Chief, please do not take this class - you've already proven that you cannot make a knowledgeable and prudent decision as required under the law.

heh, funny

... but I LOL'ed when he said:

Also, if you're a non-Christian Arab or Muslim, I will not teach you the class.

Does that fall under right to refuse service or is it discrimination?

Actually, I think that totally sucks. RKBA applies to all American citizens, regardless of their race or their religion. And although as an evangelical Christian I have strong theological differences with my fellow citizens who are Muslim (as well as with those who are Jewish, Bahai, Hindu, Bhuddist, Jehovah's Witness, whatever), I am willing to put my own life down in the defense of their rights, including their RKBA. On the day we start saying that we will only selectively support the rights of our fellow citizens, based on their race and/or religion, then we are no better than those slimey liberals who won't support the RKBA, and won't support free speech unless it harmonizes with Occupy Wall Street, or unless you are an Inuit transgender lesbian with a limp, or member of some other grievance group.

His ad is kinda sorta funny in an ignorant red-neck sort of way, but the man is a bigoted fool if he thinks that it is OK to refuse service to someone based on their race or their religion—particularly when that service exists for the enhancement of one of our enumerated rights. If I recall correctly, this is already a matter of settled law, and I'm kind of hoping that a Muslim citizen of Arabic descent takes him to court over it. I wonder if the DPS, which is partly funded by the taxes of Muslim Arab-American Texans, and which licenses him to offer classes in the first place, is aware of what he's doing?

This is not the same as saying "you can't pray to Allah on my property." What he is saying is "you can't be a worshipper of Allah and enter my public establishment where all other races and religious practitioners are welcome."

I have no use for folks like that because, if they have their way, there will come a day when anybody can banish me from public commerce and the exercise of my rights under the Constitution simply because of my race, or my religion.

This guy is an ignorant fool.

[The Annoyed Man]

You are right my brother. I also promice:
If guberment anti-discrimination laws forces me to let someone set in my class that I feel is a national, state threat or a character discredit to CHL then I will exersize my right as an instructor to write that letter to DPS listing the evidence I observed, any statements I heard. Tell them "this" person needs to be interviewed further & background CAREFULLY checked before granting. It will be the evidence & not the religion.

LT, I don't have a problem with that part (in red), and certainly former Major Hassan proved that RKBA can be abused by people with a terrorist intent. I certainly hope that you would send DPS such a notice if you had reason to suspect someone. But even though you and I would agree theologically about the deception of Islam, not all Muslims or Arabs who live in the U.S., let alone in Texas, are terrorists.

I'm not trying to sound all politically correct here. Personally, I think that Islam the religion itself is the basis for the terrorism because it A) calls people to Jihad, which can be answered by people of violent natures; and B) the call to Jihad can be interpreted as a call to violence.....depending on which strain of Islam you subscribe to. The 19 hijackers who struck us on 9/11 were from upper middle-class backgrounds and did not have extended histories of personal violence until they carried out their acts of terror that day.

But we have Muslim American soldiers/sailors/marines/airmen who serve the nation with as much valor as their Christian or other religionist counterparts. The bonehead who made this ad has no way of knowing who is what until he actually engages a prospective client in conversation. What's he going to do...... say "I'm sorry, your name is Farouk Al-Wapootie and I'm not going to serve you" simply based on the guy's name and appearance? I don't think that would be right.

[wgoforth]

You are right my brother. I also promice:
If guberment anti-discrimination laws forces me to let someone set in my class that I feel is a national, state threat or a character discredit to CHL then I will exersize my right as an instructor to write that letter to DPS listing the evidence I observed, any statements I heard. Tell them "this" person needs to be interviewed further & background CAREFULLY checked before granting. It will be the evidence & not the religion.

LT, I don't have a problem with that part (in red), and certainly former Major Hassan proved that RKBA can be abused by people with a terrorist intent. I certainly hope that you would send DPS such a notice if you had reason to suspect someone. But even though you and I would agree theologically about the deception of Islam, not all Muslims or Arabs who live in the U.S., let alone in Texas, are terrorists.

I'm not trying to sound all politically correct here. Personally, I think that Islam the religion itself is the basis for the terrorism because it A) calls people to Jihad, which can be answered by people of violent natures; and B) the call to Jihad can be interpreted as a call to violence.....depending on which strain of Islam you subscribe to. The 19 hijackers who struck us on 9/11 were from upper middle-class backgrounds and did not have extended histories of personal violence until they carried out their acts of terror that day.

But we have Muslim American soldiers/sailors/marines/airmen who serve the nation with as much valor as their Christian or other religionist counterparts. The bonehead who made this ad has no way of knowing who is what until he actually engages a prospective client in conversation. What's he going to do...... say "I'm sorry, your name is Farouk Al-Wapootie and I'm not going to serve you" simply based on the guy's name and appearance? I don't think that would be right.

And I agree 100%. The bonehead is a well known real estate salesman in the area who knows what he is working, I am sure. This has made him (in)famous. Cecil B deMil made the statement "there is no such thing as bad publicity." While I disagree from a moral persepctive, in the worldly sense, there is a lot of truth to it.

[infoman]

The annoyed man- I couldn't agree more with your post. I agree with you 100%, well said!

[v-rog]

I'll reiterate, "So, Let start with the Bill of Rights which set's the national stage for an attitude of acceptance and equality" I'm not talking about legislation...

IMHO, a big enough deal can't be made enough! I am a Jew and my heritage informs me that attitudes grow and they can sway entire groups of people to the point of oppression and extermination. I am not going to make a case for Muslims, who practice Islam, having equal rights and respect in America as I would not for Americans, who practice Christianity,having equal rights and respect (and the other faith/religious groups in the US).

The man who made this particular radio add communicates a divisive message. I will not assassinate the man's character but I will speak out when someone communicates inequality and a superior race.

I'm not going to address "political correctness" -that tends to be a divisive phrase.

The add is very unprofessional and it says a lot about the attitude of the person behind it. At the minimum, the add portrays an elitist type of person that excludes a certain amount of the population based on their race and political standing. He classifies those who voted for President Obama as liberals & socialists which is not necessarily true. We don't live in a black & white world- AND the world is not flat, it is round!

So, Let start with the Bill of Rights which set's the national stage for an attitude of acceptance and equality

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishing of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech or the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Now, let's look at civil rights:

U.S. Code Title 42, Chapter 21 -- Civil Rights (FindLaw)
Title 42, Chapter 21 of the U.S. Code prohibits discrimination against persons based on age, disability, gender, race, national origin, and religion (among other things) in a number of settings
-- including education, employment, access to businesses and buildings, federal services, and more. Chapter 21 is where a number of federal acts related to civil rights have been codified
-- including the Civil Rights Act of 1866, Civil Rights Act of 1964, and the Civil Rights of Institutionalized Persons Act.

I could go on and on but my point is we can become the very people that we despise and WE carry guns too! (many wars have begun which were based on religious ideals, extermination). SO, for me it is not some random joke, especially when it is BROADCAST over the airways!

The Civil Rights law is a little harder to get around, but the Bill of Rights is not. The Bill of Rights was about limiting the gvt, not the individual. The quote you offered was that CONGRESS shall make no law... CONGRESS. INDIVIDUALS and private organizations limit my constitutional freedoms all the time. Stores that put up a 30.06 limit my second amendment rights. They may do so but Congree cannot. My son was going to college and orientation was planned for a Sunday during worship time. My son inquired about going to church services, their answer was "tough. you have to miss." They violated his freedom of worship. They may do so, they aren't Congress. I can go somewhere else if their horse doesn't fit my saddle. If someone came to my class and said I will have to stop twice during class to ceremonially bathe and perform the salat (the bowing/praying facing mecca), then I would have to tell them that we cannot stop the class for them and they cannot miss the material I am covering, go somewhere else.

I think we are making too big a deal out of his ad. We all recognize it was for a laugh.. and he got it, and a ton of publicity in the process. Do you hear the media jumping on him about this? I suggest we laugh it off and move on rather than dissect this to peices. My prediction: Ol' Crockett is going to have a packed class!

[wgoforth]

The man who made this particular radio add communicates a divisive message. I will not assassinate the man's character but I will speak out when someone communicates inequality and a superior race.

Many have said this was racist or here a superior race... where was race crticized? He said non-Christian Arab or Muslim. Was he dealing with race or theocracy here? In not a single post have I mentioned race, and I condemned racism... I also condemn a theocracy who wants to kill you and me and destroy our freedoms.

[snatchel]

Ugh, I can not stay away from this.

My ethnic background is this: A German Father and an arabic mother. I speak farsi as well as arabic. I am 50% arabic. I am not muslim though. My mother came to America from Iran in the 1980's, met and married my father, and I was made shortly after. My Mother is Muslim, my father is Catholic (dont ask... I dont know how it happened either.) I can read, and have read the Koran in English as well as Arabic. For those of you who insist that because the english version is not accepted (you are correct by the way), I can sit here and assure you that they say the exact same thing... basically word for word.

I am not a terrorist. My mother is not a terrorist. My Arabic genetics do not force me to partake in terroristic acts, and it's not because the white genes balance it out either (yes, that was a joke to lighten the mood). Genetics do not make someone a terrorist, nor does the Muslim faith. I agree with TAM in saying that I simply dont understand the Muslim faith. I probably disappointed my mother a bit when I became a catholic, but she didn't carry out a jihad against me either.

What you guys need to understand, and what I can't seem to get across clearly enough is the Koran doesn't teach anything. Imam's and others interpret and teach the Koran to others. Does that make sense? What is written in the Koran, and how the writings of the Koran are interpreted are 2 completely differend ideas. I am here to tell you that it is completely possible to be a Muslim without having violent tendencies, or anti-american sentiments. However, I can also tell you that the Muslim Religion and Democracy... dont mesh well, to say the least.

In short, I am a half Iranian (Arabic), arabic speaking, and have read and understood the teachings of the Koran. If this makes me a terrorist, or implies violent tendencies, I encourage you to come look at the shadow box hanging on my wall containing numerous awards that our beloved country bestowed upon me for taking out extreme Islamic fighters. Y'all want an example of Arabs speaking out against extreme Muslims? Here I am. You want an example of a Muslim speaking out against the extreme interpretations and Violent Jihadists? I encourage you to come for dinner with me at my parents house. Even if you can't digest the fact that Mom is a peaceful, loving, compassionate, accepting Muslim- I can promise you that you will be able to digest the chelob-kabab