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packa45 wrote:Slower burning powder is not your friend with the compensated glocks...I would not use a compensated as a defense weapon due to the fact that burning powder is being projected up and when shooting from a draw you could be temporarily blinded, making your second or third shots possibly end up where you didn't want them. However you can purchase a standard 23 barrel and swap them out for range use/ defensive purposes..that's what I do.
The flash from the compensator ports won't blind you, but it will almost certainly destroy your night vision to the point where you can't pick out indistinct targets in low light. BG's don't dress in high contrast clothing, and losing the ability to find and track them visually can ruin your entire day.Apophis wrote:packa45 wrote:Slower burning powder is not your friend with the compensated glocks...I would not use a compensated as a defense weapon due to the fact that burning powder is being projected up and when shooting from a draw you could be temporarily blinded, making your second or third shots possibly end up where you didn't want them. However you can purchase a standard 23 barrel and swap them out for range use/ defensive purposes..that's what I do.
No need to purchase, I own a regular G23 as well. :D
I will do some hip shooting with SD ammo and see if this is really an issue. So far, it seems a lot of these issues people are bringing to me seem blown out of preportion. When I shot this in low light conditions with range ammo (Huge V-flames) it was a little distracting, but did not "blind" me for even a split second.
I'll keep everyone updated on this thread, and see if hip shooting is an issue. I may also film this, as I did my shooting at the range. If it seems unshootable from the hip, I will obviously keep the 23c as my "fun gun" for the range. While carrying my regular 23. The way I see it, as close as you need your face to be to this compensated pistol to have any problems arise, you would probably have some issues with a regular 23 as well.
Regardless of opinion, I'd like to test this out for myself, and will try to remain as bi-partisan as possible.
Beside, if the 23C is less than favorable to carry compared to the regular 23, won't bother me since like I said, I have both. ;)
I will try to hang some materials above the pistol when I shoot to see how easy they catch fire or are disrupted. I have yet to hear an actual account from someone who ran into an issue as opposed to a he said/she said type of thing. Not questioning your credability, just making an observation for all the "nay sayers" out there.Excaliber wrote:The flash from the compensator ports won't blind you, but it will almost certainly destroy your night vision to the point where you can't pick out indistinct targets in low light. BG's don't dress in high contrast clothing, and losing the ability to find and track them visually can ruin your entire day.Apophis wrote:packa45 wrote:Slower burning powder is not your friend with the compensated glocks...I would not use a compensated as a defense weapon due to the fact that burning powder is being projected up and when shooting from a draw you could be temporarily blinded, making your second or third shots possibly end up where you didn't want them. However you can purchase a standard 23 barrel and swap them out for range use/ defensive purposes..that's what I do.
No need to purchase, I own a regular G23 as well. :D
I will do some hip shooting with SD ammo and see if this is really an issue. So far, it seems a lot of these issues people are bringing to me seem blown out of preportion. When I shot this in low light conditions with range ammo (Huge V-flames) it was a little distracting, but did not "blind" me for even a split second.
I'll keep everyone updated on this thread, and see if hip shooting is an issue. I may also film this, as I did my shooting at the range. If it seems unshootable from the hip, I will obviously keep the 23c as my "fun gun" for the range. While carrying my regular 23. The way I see it, as close as you need your face to be to this compensated pistol to have any problems arise, you would probably have some issues with a regular 23 as well.
Regardless of opinion, I'd like to test this out for myself, and will try to remain as bi-partisan as possible.
Beside, if the 23C is less than favorable to carry compared to the regular 23, won't bother me since like I said, I have both. ;)
There are other potential gotchas with using a compensated pistol for SD purposes.
An LEO of my acquaintance recounted the time he had to return fire on a suspect from inside a vehicle. He leaned across the seat to fire out the driver's window - and was instantly confronted with a blizzard of what appeared to be snow.
It turned out that the gas discharge from the compensator ports was sufficient to pulverize the headliner of the passenger compartment above the point he fired from and fill the car with airborne fragments of what was left of the headliner. My friend observed that this was not helpful to the task at hand.
IMHO, compensators have no place on a handgun carried for self defense. They provide no significant advantages and lots of unnecessary disadvantages. Gunfights have enough built in challenges without piling on others that can be forseeably avoided.
YMMV
.I don't know anyone who's ever ignited anything with a compensated gun, but if you're OK with the other known characteristics at least they will have served as input for an informed decision instead of a surprise at an untoward moment.Apophis wrote:I will try to hang some materials above the pistol when I shoot to see how easy they catch fire or are disrupted. I have yet to hear an actual account from someone who ran into an issue as opposed to a he said/she said type of thing. Not questioning your credability, just making an observation for all the "nay sayers" out there.Excaliber wrote:The flash from the compensator ports won't blind you, but it will almost certainly destroy your night vision to the point where you can't pick out indistinct targets in low light. BG's don't dress in high contrast clothing, and losing the ability to find and track them visually can ruin your entire day.Apophis wrote:packa45 wrote:Slower burning powder is not your friend with the compensated glocks...I would not use a compensated as a defense weapon due to the fact that burning powder is being projected up and when shooting from a draw you could be temporarily blinded, making your second or third shots possibly end up where you didn't want them. However you can purchase a standard 23 barrel and swap them out for range use/ defensive purposes..that's what I do.
No need to purchase, I own a regular G23 as well. :D
I will do some hip shooting with SD ammo and see if this is really an issue. So far, it seems a lot of these issues people are bringing to me seem blown out of preportion. When I shot this in low light conditions with range ammo (Huge V-flames) it was a little distracting, but did not "blind" me for even a split second.
I'll keep everyone updated on this thread, and see if hip shooting is an issue. I may also film this, as I did my shooting at the range. If it seems unshootable from the hip, I will obviously keep the 23c as my "fun gun" for the range. While carrying my regular 23. The way I see it, as close as you need your face to be to this compensated pistol to have any problems arise, you would probably have some issues with a regular 23 as well.
Regardless of opinion, I'd like to test this out for myself, and will try to remain as bi-partisan as possible.
Beside, if the 23C is less than favorable to carry compared to the regular 23, won't bother me since like I said, I have both. ;)
There are other potential gotchas with using a compensated pistol for SD purposes.
An LEO of my acquaintance recounted the time he had to return fire on a suspect from inside a vehicle. He leaned across the seat to fire out the driver's window - and was instantly confronted with a blizzard of what appeared to be snow.
It turned out that the gas discharge from the compensator ports was sufficient to pulverize the headliner of the passenger compartment above the point he fired from and fill the car with airborne fragments of what was left of the headliner. My friend observed that this was not helpful to the task at hand.
IMHO, compensators have no place on a handgun carried for self defense. They provide no significant advantages and lots of unnecessary disadvantages. Gunfights have enough built in challenges without piling on others that can be forseeably avoided.
YMMV
If this does in fact prove no good, and material lights up on fire, and I can't hip fire, I'll obviously use my regular 23/27 for EDC still. The reduction in muzzle flip between the 23 and 23c is quite noticeable, especially in rapid fire situations, which seem to be most likely the case in a SD situation....
As far as the multiple assailants goes, I think one would be lucky to successfully fend off one attacker, let alone several. Not saying it's impossible, but as a CHL holder, we definitely do not have the upper hand in who gets to strike first.
I digress, I will spend much more time shooting with this fun little pistol in late evenings/nights and see how it affects my vision. So far it just seems distracting, probably since it's new and I like to watch the flame
either way, it'll make for some great times as a range gun, if this proves to be less than desireable for CCW.
Thanks for your reply and opinion though.
Edited for spelling.
Good point and well taken.packa45 wrote:I was not referring to the flash actually burning you/your clothing or making you blind in low light..I was talking about the fine particulate matter that is blown out possibly getting into your eyes...it seems in my experience this is more prevalent with target ammo than with SD ammo however I have had this experience...
Hence my suggestion for a non compensated barrel for SD purposes.
