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by ELB
Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:29 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Contact shot, blast damage?
Replies: 35
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Re: Contact shot, blast damage?

I just saw a post on Quora from someone who says they do or did autopsies that they once had a well-dressed white male pushing 50 that did not have any external signs indicating why he was dead lying along the interstate. When they opened him up, his heart, lungs, and all the rest of the organs in the abdomen were shredded and he was full of blood. X-ray showed what turned out to be birdshot in the (denser) muscles of his upper thighs. He had some contusions of the throat.

They concluded this was an organized crime execution where he had been forced to kneel and look up, then a shotgun, probably a .410, shoved down his throat, and ... boom. Author didn't state but I would guess a good percentage of the damage was simply from the powder combustion gasses.

Now that's a contact shot.

I don't have the link to Quora handy, but I'll try to add it later.
by ELB
Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:27 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Contact shot, blast damage?
Replies: 35
Views: 18449

Re: Contact shot, blast damage?

Excaliber wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:06 am
surferdaddy wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:48 pm
Excaliber wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:16 am This article should answer the question.
So the residual blast can be fatal by itself it would seem. Craziness. Didn’t Brandon Lee die from blanks somehow?
No, Bruce Lee reportedly died from an allergic reaction to a painkiller he had taken for headaches.
Surferdaddy is asking about Bruce Lee’s son Brandon, who did die from an accident involving blanks.

However it wasn't the gasses from the blank that killed him, at least not directly. As I remember reading it years ago, The Crow was a low budget production. At one point the prop master manufacture dummy rounds for a revolver out of live rounds by pulling the bullets, emptying the powder, then replacing the bullets into the cases. The cases may have retained their primers.

The handmade dummy bullets were used in a revolver in a scene Where are the revolver was seen close up and needed to look like it was loaded.. Somehow one of the bullets came loose and lodged in the barrel – – I’ve read two accounts, one that somebody actually pulled the trigger and the primer drove the bullet into the barrel, And another account where the bullet (or the tip broke off) simply came loose and stuck in the barrel.

The revolver was set aside for a couple weeks without being properly cleared, and then used in a scene where Brandon Lee walks through a doorway to a shot by an opponent. The same revolver was used for this scene and loaded with blanks. When it was fired the movie blood squib on Bruce Lee exploded and he fell down as directed, so no one realized immediately that he had actually been shot with a .44 bullet, or at least a piece of one. When they realized he was really shot they rushed him to the hospital but surgeons were not able to save him.
by ELB
Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:49 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Contact shot, blast damage?
Replies: 35
Views: 18449

Re: Contact shot, blast damage?

crazy2medic wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:46 pm Worked a suicide were the guy laid is head on the muzzle of a 30-30 and that was a mess, the selfishness of doing this where your family finds you is unbelievable! That will be their last image of them!
Yes, had a guy shoot himself in the head with a revolver in the bedroom while his wife and kids were in the house. Didn't kill him immediately, the kids and wife were screaming and crying while we carried him out of the bedroom to the ambulance, blood pouring out of his head. At the time I was focused just on trying to keep his O2 mask on his face (blood is very slippery) while carrying him out, but later I was disgusted with him because we had to take him past his family like that. I pity that he felt despaired so much that he decided on suicide, but putting his family through that was awful.

He didn't make it, heart stopped twice in the ambulance on the way to the landing zone, and he went out for good during the helicopter ride.

Pertinent to the thread: I don't believe this was a contact shot, but close range, no exit wound IIRC, but a lot of blood. It has been my limited experience that GSW to the head bleeds a LOT. I guess there's no room for the blood to pool, like in the abdomen or chest, so it all comes gushing out.
by ELB
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:02 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Contact shot, blast damage?
Replies: 35
Views: 18449

Re: Contact shot, blast damage?

I have seen some autopsy photos of close-or-contact range shots that injected hot gasses into the subject. It did indeed make a mess, far more than the bullet itself would have done. Particularly dramatic is sticking a shotgun in the mouth and firing. Yechh.

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