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DO NOT POST DIRECT DPS PHONE NUMBERS!!!

Last post by Charles L. Cotton « Mon May 16, 2016 3:42 pm
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by Charles L. Cotton » Mon May 16, 2016 3:42 pm » in Site Announcements, Questions & Suggestions

Don't even think of posting the direct line phone numbers to the DPS Director or anyone else within DPS. If the number isn't available on the DPS...

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Reciprocity Map

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by AggieMM » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:37 pm
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UPDATED 7/3/2016

Updated 7/30/2009 - Removed Utah and Florida non-resident from Nevada.
Updated 8/23/2009 - Added Utah and Florida...

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The map needs to be updated to show an Illinois non-resident permit as an option. Texas is one of four states whose residents Illinois allows to...
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Other States' Similar Forums

Last post by techenigma « Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:56 pm
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by C-dub » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:18 pm
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Although, not exactly about Texas' CHL I was wondering if anyone was aware of any other states' that have similar forums. I have family in Kansas and...

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Calguns.net is a big CA gun forum. They have a CCW section even though it's near unheard of there.
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Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:56 pm
Another one headed in the wrong direction

Last post by Middle Age Russ « Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:51 pm
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by Odinvalknir » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:48 am

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The bill, House Bill 1060, was filed on the last day of May and by Orange County Democrat Verna Insko would spell disaster to handgun aficionados in...

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I have become convinced that media today, and therefore the majority of the news we hear, reports only what challenges traditional mores, values and...

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Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:51 pm
Florida Approved CHL Without Background Checks

Last post by Middle Age Russ « Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:50 am
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by Keith B » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:47 am

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Florida approved concealed licenses without background checks

Wonder if they will go back and check those with licenses issued during that period...

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I wonder what percentage of Texas applications fail for non-criminal reasons. There are, or have been, clear process issues in Florida that allowed...

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Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:50 am
Illinois Car Carry

Last post by OneGun « Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:25 pm
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by ralewis » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:35 am

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It appears to me it's not illegal to carry in a vehicle in Illinois. (reference below). Has anyone traveled thru Illinois with a handgun and...

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Yes! Unlike Texas, local municipalities in Illannoy had a window after the passage of their FCCL law to enact magazine bans, etc. Go to ISPFSB.COM...

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Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:25 pm
MS: Supreme Court rules judges may not ban E-concealed carry outside courtrooms

Last post by Deltaboy « Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:11 pm
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by ELB » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:09 am

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Do go read the entire opinion.

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Good for the Mississippi State Supreme court!

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Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:11 pm
Washington Open Carry

Last post by imkopaka « Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:24 pm
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by imkopaka » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:11 pm

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I'm visiting family up in Washington State right now. Yesterday we took our kids to Steel Lake Park in Federal Way and there was a guy OC with a...

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I was in Felony Way (Federal Way :biggrinjester: ).

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Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:24 pm
Colorado taking first steps towards complete confiscation

Last post by DevilDawg « Sun May 27, 2018 8:15 pm
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by Odinvalknir » Tue May 22, 2018 4:56 pm
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The bill creates the ability for a family or household member or a law enforcement officer to petition the court for a temporary extreme risk...

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Too often art imitates life and the movie reference fits the subject perfectly.

Not to belittle your personal experience with the overwhelming...
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Last post by DevilDawg
Sun May 27, 2018 8:15 pm
Can't bring ammo into California

Last post by apostate « Thu May 03, 2018 11:27 pm
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by nimravus01 » Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:07 am
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Thu May 03, 2018 11:27 pm
Instructor Said I'm Illegal With CT LTC

Last post by BBYC « Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:36 pm
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by texman45 » Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:21 am
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Recently at my local gun range I had a conversation with their Certified Instructor. He told me that when I became a Texas resident 10 years ago, and...

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:clapping: not that one
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Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:36 pm
Utah CHL timeframe?

Last post by imkopaka « Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:38 pm
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by imkopaka » Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:32 pm

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I'm planning a trip to Washington state later next month and would like to carry while I'm there. Utah seems to be the only route for me to do so....

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Nevermind - it looks like the distance to the trip will be measured in days, not weeks, so I'm not going to get one before I leave. Darn.

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Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:38 pm
Winstar parking lot car meet?

Last post by Grundy1133 « Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:44 pm
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by Natesac » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:14 pm
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Traveling to OK soon for a car meet. The meet will take place in a parking lot of the Winstar casino. I have been searching for an answer and have...

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I'd rather just not go to winstar... cause i mean for starters its in oklahoma... am i right? and second i've never gambled before in my life and if...
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Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:44 pm
Road trip report

Last post by Bruin98 « Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:02 pm
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by Soccerdad1995 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:04 pm

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My wife and I were without kids this Spring Break since they were with our respective exes. So we decided to take a little road trip West. We started...

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I wouldn't have known either if I wasn't with an AZ resident.

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Last post by Bruin98
Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:02 pm
Washington State female motorcyclist defends herself

Last post by OldCurlyWolf « Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:23 am
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by TomV » Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:11 am

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Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:23 am
IL: Confiscation - State Congress Orders Once Legal Owners to Turn in Guns

Last post by AndyC « Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:57 am
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by NotRPB » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:35 pm
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Confiscation: State Congress Orders Legal Owners to Turn in Guns
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I sold them to some old lady, Hillary.... Hillary Klingon, something like that. She talked real funny and her accent kept changing... she said she...
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Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:57 am
MN: Minnesota HF3022 - A Bridge Too Far...

Last post by AF-Odin « Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:02 am
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by Iunnrais » Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:00 pm

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One of my friends up in MN sent a link to a bill that's been introduced up there:

Looks like they are trying to become the next Commiefornia:

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Remember, these are the same Moon Bats that elected Al Franken (albeit after finding a bunch of ballots in the trunk of a car after the election...

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Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:02 am
KY: Pike County Votes to Arm Teachers

Last post by JakeTheSnake « Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:07 pm
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by Vol Texan » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:19 pm

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This school district is only two hours away from where I grew up in East Tennessee.

According to the article, this is the first school district in...

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5 would have been nice!
I've counted 14 that I could remember, and no he wasn't military. :shock:

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Last post by JakeTheSnake
Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:07 pm
CA: Feinstein Snubbed by Democrats

Last post by tool4daman « Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:37 pm
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by imkopaka » Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:56 pm

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Dianne Feinstein failed to secure an endorsement from the California Democratic Party for the upcoming senate race, where she sought her final term....

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I would. :reddevil

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Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:37 pm
Never Before Seen: New Model Glocks

Last post by apostate « Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:14 pm
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by Vol Texan » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:20 pm

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The caption under the picture says, Californians wanting to carry concealed weapons such as these Glock handguns would face new requirements under...

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Maybe it's a belt fed Gatling Glock. :fire

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Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:14 pm
Memphis, TN: Moronic social media challenge ends with gunshot to the head

Last post by tool4daman « Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:25 pm
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by ckelly9460 » Sat Jan 27, 2018 9:43 am
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Play stupid games win stupid prizes

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I was born there, and lived there until high school. Felt like I had escaped when I moved away.

My grandmother from Memphis used to visit me here...
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Wed Jan 31, 2018 8:25 pm
Hobbs, NM chilis

Last post by GreenMan0352 « Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:53 pm
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by GreenMan0352 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:22 pm

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First let me say that if this is against forum rules or in the wrong section I apologize and moderators if you need to move this or delete it then no...

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I can also say the guy turned himself in due to fear of retaliation for shooting. However I doubt prison will offer him the safety he seeks.

I...

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Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:53 pm
IN: Legislature dodges Constitutional Carry

Last post by montgomery « Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:51 am
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by ELB » Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:48 am

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I've been following Indiana's efforts towards ConCarry via an Indiana forum, and it appears the ConCarry supporters just got blindsided.

The Indiana...

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Purpose is informational awareness. Got it. Thanks for the clarification. Much appreciated.

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Last post by montgomery
Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:51 am
Oregon Governor signs bill effectively confiscating guns

Last post by kw5kw « Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:47 pm
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by RPBrown » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:12 pm
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They say it is not a confiscation law but
Requires court to order respondent to surrender deadly weapons and concealed handgun license within 24...

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:iagree:
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Last post by kw5kw
Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:47 pm
Traveling to/thru other states

Last post by Oldgringo « Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:40 pm
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by rssecurity » Sun May 14, 2017 10:20 pm

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Later this summer, I'll be on the road, and passing through several other states. I'd appreciate it if anyone is familiar with the states below and...

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We've traveled in all of the states you mention and have even lived in some. Don't ask, don't tell, don't show and follow TAM's advice above. In...

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Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:40 pm
AZ Non-Resident Permit Issue Time

Last post by Nutcracker « Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:12 pm
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by Glockster » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:18 am
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Anyone have some recent permit turnaround time info? I've been waiting a month now and wondering at what point to worry that the snail mail...

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The Arizona license looks like a fast and easy alternative with more privacy protection.
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Last post by Nutcracker
Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:12 pm
Moore wins in Alabama

Last post by allisji « Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:24 pm
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by Aunt Eva » Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:36 pm

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DRAIN THE SWAMP
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you probably figured it out by now, but look at the OP and look at the date. This was from the primaries.

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Last post by allisji
Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:24 pm
Walmart Gallup NM Off Limits

Last post by OneGun « Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:13 am
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by RoyGBiv » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:17 pm
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I'm gobsmacked!

Right there on the sliding doors. :grumble

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Correct, it is an Excetion
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Last post by OneGun
Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:13 am
Interstate Handguns.

Last post by ralewis « Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:41 am
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by Liberty » Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:37 am
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If the Reciprocity act goes through, Interstate travelers will still have a dilemma. Certain guns, ammo and magazines are illegal in certain states....

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I'd be totally fine if this was watered down to allow carry in a vehicle in all 50 states (and DC). But I agree with you wrt to NJ at least. Any...
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Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:41 am
Off-duty officer shoots, kills man brandishing gun at Kansas Costco

Last post by TreyHouston « Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:44 pm
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by Bitter Clinger » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:06 pm

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Wonder if Costco in Kansas is also a GFZ?:

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Dont go back into the warehouse then, stay in the front store area!

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Last post by TreyHouston
Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:44 pm
Maine and New Hampshire

Last post by Liberty « Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:15 pm
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by Liberty » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:22 am

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Maine and New Hampshire do not recognize the Texas LTC/CHL, however, they both have a type of constitutional carry. Texans 21 or older can conceal...

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I was referring to the map on keppt up by AggieMM on this site

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Last post by Liberty
Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:15 pm
Southwest pilot arrested after gun found in carry-on luggage

Last post by Pritchical « Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:51 am
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by Bitter Clinger » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:33 pm
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Not much detail currently:

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Mistakes like that should be absolutely forgivable. I do think we can take actions to show responsibility though, like a field-strip disassembly or...
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Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:51 am
MI: Expands carry zones to schools and churches

Last post by Charles L. Cotton « Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:42 pm
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by strogg » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:37 pm

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And of course, the anti 2a nuts are complaining that law abiding citizens will now be allowed to go on a rampage, and that the politicians should...

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The article indicates the bill only passed out of Senate Committee. It's not a done deal by any means.

Chas.

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Last post by Charles L. Cotton
Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:42 pm
Mass: Senate Unanimously bans bump stocks

Last post by Abraham « Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:03 pm
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by gtolbert09 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:50 pm

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Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:03 pm
Taking CHL class in Michigan

Last post by Mike S « Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:20 am
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by billy777 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:50 pm

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Hello,
I have a family member who lives in Detroit and is a CHL instructor. Is it possible for me to fly to Michigan, take his class, get the CHL...

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:iagree: Both of the above comments are spot on.

To more clearly answer your question, there is no such thing as 'transfering' an out of state...

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Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:20 am
MO: Mizzou professor sues university over ‘gun ban’ on campus

Last post by RoyGBiv « Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:23 pm
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by ELB » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:38 pm

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Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:23 pm
OC in Idaho

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by K.Mooneyham » Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:45 pm
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Having completed my business in WA, my wife and I are on our way back. Stopped in Boise, ID to eat at Cracker Barrel. Saw a guy walk in OCing a...

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Have no problem agreeing with any of the above statement

That was what I posted
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Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:08 pm
Looking for someone knowledgeable on AZ CWP

Last post by tool4daman « Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:43 pm

by tool4daman » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:43 pm

Hi,
I'm looking for someone who is extremely knowledgeable about the Arizona permit. I have a few questions regarding the Arizona Administrative Code...

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Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:43 pm
FL: Fearing lawsuit, regulators stop harassing private gun range owner

Last post by Soccerdad1995 « Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:21 am
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by ELB » Wed Aug 02, 2017 12:36 pm

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In chronological order, here is the background:

Here is the resolution:

Key bits: Florida has state pre-emption for the regulation of firearms,...

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As I understand the case, in Florida, the law states that local entities cannot regulate gun ranges, whether they are businesses or not. So the...

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Last post by Soccerdad1995
Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:21 am
Need advice, travelling to State of Washington

Last post by Soccerdad1995 « Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:26 pm
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by K.Mooneyham » Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:51 pm

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So, I am heading off to the State of Washington (Seattle area, but not that city) on a very necessary business trip. They do NOT have reciprocity...

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:iagree: about Tacoma. There are some very bad areas there. It's been 10 years since I escaped to Texas from the Seattle / Tacoma area, but anywhere...

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Last post by Soccerdad1995
Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:26 pm
IN: Leg Committee "Summer Study" on Constitutional Carry

Last post by Jusme « Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:02 pm
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by ELB » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:01 am

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A thread following this on an Indiana gun forum if you are really interested:

It appears that supporters are following a strategy of putting a...

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That was what I hoped would happen with the MPA here, but the next step hasn't been taken. I will watch this and see how this progresses, in Indiana,...

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Last post by Jusme
Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:02 pm
IN: Court of Appeals: Merely having a gun not "reasonable suspicion"

Last post by ELB « Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:13 pm
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by ELB » Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:54 pm

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Mere possession of a firearm, which is legal, cannot produce reasonable suspicion to justify a Terry stop per the Indiana Court of Appeals.

Link to...

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While writing a post on another case, I just realized I never followed up on this thread.

The Indiana Supreme Court found in favor of the defendant...

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Last post by ELB
Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:13 pm
DC: Get your CC permit for Washington right now, if you this rare item.

Last post by oohrah « Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:43 am
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by philip964 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:17 pm

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Emily Miller says get it now, before they appeal. Right now can't be denied for lack of need .

Looks difficult for just a trophy card.

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Actually, Chicago is more like Dallas now. I conceal carry in Cook County routinely.

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Last post by oohrah
Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:43 am
IN: City of Evansville loses due to pre-emption

Last post by C-dub « Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:05 pm
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by ELB » Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:30 pm

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Some years back Indiana passed a pre-emption law to prevent local governments from regulating firearms, I think with a few minor exceptions. This law...

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And stubborn with other peoples' money.

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Last post by C-dub
Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:05 pm
Mandatory Sentence for "Illegal" Guns

Last post by Jusme « Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:22 pm
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by chasfm11 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:53 pm

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In another State, I might applaud a bill which clamps down on the illegal carrying of guns. But in Maryland, there is pretty much no such thing as...

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I just wish that they would require people to do the time they are given. Too many are back out on the streets before the jury members get to change...

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Last post by Jusme
Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:22 pm
D.C. Circuit Upholds RTKBA

Last post by bblhd672 « Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:19 am
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by KLB » Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:56 am

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Before Heller, D.C. required a firearm owner to have a license to carry a firearm from one room of the owner's home to another. After Heller, D.C....

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Topic already running here:

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Last post by bblhd672
Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:19 am
MI: State Tells Marine He Has to Give Up His 2nd Amendment Rights to Raise His Grandson

Last post by SewTexas « Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:09 pm
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by Flightmare » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:46 pm

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So the judge admitted to violating the Constitution? Sounds like grounds for removal to me.

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a court will determine that they are guardians. But yes, they have to go through most if not all of the foster junk, including all of the how to...

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Last post by SewTexas
Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:09 pm
Permitless Open Carry Passes Oklahoma House 73-15

Last post by steveincowtown « Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:04 pm
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by NotRPB » Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:25 pm

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On March 10, the Oklahoma House passed legislation to legalize carrying a handgun openly on one’s hip without a concealed carry permit....

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But where are they on their bathroom bill??

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Last post by steveincowtown
Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:04 pm
Cali, Oregon and Washington handgun laws?

Last post by The Annoyed Man « Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:01 pm
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by JCC511 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:57 pm

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Looking at a road trip after flying into Cali and deciding if we want to check our handguns. We would be traveling north through Oregon and...

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I have brought handguns into California a number of times. In fact, I just did it this past May/June. But, I won't fly into California with a gun...

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Last post by The Annoyed Man
Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:01 pm
Texan now has IL CCL

Last post by oohrah « Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:48 am
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by oohrah » Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:08 pm

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Just got my Illinois Concealed Carry License in the mail today. Now I can carry in every state I normally visit. According to Il State Police data, I...

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Yeah, it's not cheap. $300 for a non-resident vs. $150 for IL resident. Plus whatever the class costs, which can vary from $100-150 depending on how...

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Last post by oohrah
Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:48 am
Largest pro-Second Amendment bill in Iowa history

Last post by Soccerdad1995 « Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:01 pm
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by Flightmare » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:28 pm

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This could come in handy if it were in Texas.

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I am merely stating that everyone should be held responsible for things they do which are illegal.

I am not an expert on every law related to the...

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Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:01 pm

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