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parabelum wrote:Apple is playing dumb, and Feds are playing benevolent.
For Apple, this isn't about privacy as many of their customers phones have been hacked by outside rats. Mine was one of them.

For Feds, this is about control and dominance in the big data spectrum.

Both parties are playing us for stupid.

Apple or Feds could hire a hacker, and with the use of botnet network generating up to 9 password guesses per second, they could have that phone cracked in under 20 minutes.

Again, they play the people for fools.

Notice also how that clerk in Kentucky got jailed for refusing judges order, yet Cook proudly rejects this judges order and nothing happens.

Except the phone will wipe itself after 10 wrong tries. The gov does not like strong encryption, because they can't break it without some backdoor method of getting the key. In an 8 character password there are ~256 to the 8th power possible passwords. About 18 quadrillion, so at 9 per second it will take you billions of years... and of course the memory will be wiped on the tenth wrong try.

There was an article in the WSJ that said that the 5c can probably be hacked by Apple, but later generations can't. And you can sure bet the software technology already exists to make sure it can never be done again. My understanding is it's already implemented in most recent Android versions. The court may win this one, but next time Apple will be like King Canute ordering the tides back. He shows his courtiers that as powerful as he is only God can order the sea back.

flintknapper wrote:I am 100% with Apple on this one.

There is simply too much at stake and too much potential for misuse if the method for breaking into the phone were to get out (and it will).

Besides, if the Gov't (particularly the FBI) is supposed to be protecting us....then they should be hiring and using the best and the brightest. Let them figure it out.

Not to mention, whatever they find on the phone is unlikely to be significant anyway. It didn't belong to the head of ISIS, just a couple of low-level terrorist hacks, who managed to pull off what could be done any day, with the use of NO phone at all.

There is more than ONE type of security at risk here. The security of MILLIONS of people who own and use apple products, vs. the unlikelihood of FBI finding anything significant on ONE phone used by a couple of terrorists that the FBI/Others couldn't stop anyway,(NOT owing to a lack of technology).

I'd trust the Gov't (on this issue) about as much as a porcupine with a 'Pet Me' sign.

I'm with Flint on this one.

This is the Clinton Era "Clipper Chip" all over again. dot-gov wants to force Apple to defeat their own security, in essence programming a back door into it. If the government can't do it themselves, then it proves that properly designed OS without a back door is likely secure, and anything else is NOT.

What they are essentially doing is trying to order Apple/Google/Microsoft, et al. to NOT allow unbreakable encryption in their OS's. It's also a waste, because the mathematics is well known and as soon as the big companies cave, then someone else will offer a package. The only way around this would be to ban its use by private citizens, which is what they're really after.

If strong encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will use strong encryption... Of course, the bad guys will just keep using it while covering it with the "weak" encryption that the government allows, which can supposedly only be accessed with a warrant anyway.

Who is the government to force me to violate my own 4th and 5th amendment rights by storing my personal papers and effects in a way that makes it easy for them to access it?

It's a stupid idea and more overreach by an already too powerful government.

Now Tim Cook and Apple and Google and MS are all a bunch of leftist, elitist, do as I say not as I do, types. I will not go out of my way to invest with them, but I'll continue to buy their products that are useful to me. They can still shove their sodomite marriage, abortion supporting, global warmist, fantasies where the sun don't shine...but my not buying from them is just going to hurt me.