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dlh wrote:I have always thought of it this way---Communism is a dictatorship where the government owns all the real property and the means of production. Fascism is a different kind of dictatorship---it allows private ownership of land and private assets in corporations though often it will interfere and tell corporations what to do.

....Exactly like most european countries......which are socialist in many ways.

apvonkanel wrote:While I'm not trying to stir the pot or defend the deterioration of American English, the definition has merit when you look at the roots of "right wing" and "left wing". During the French revolution, parliament members would group together according to political perspective. Those on the left were populists, leaning towards a "anyone can be anything they want" view. Those on the right were monarchists, leaning towards a "You are born into a certain position and class" view. The extreme version of left-wing politics inherently goes towards state-communism, and the extreme version of right-wing politics inherently goes towards autocratic fascism. While I hold no grudge against either tendency, if taken to the extreme they both become despicable.

If you look up communist you'll see Google gives left-wingers an even harsher treatment, not adding the adjective "extreme".

com·mu·nist
ˈkämyənəst/Submit
noun
noun: communist; plural noun: communists
1.
a person who supports or believes in the principles of communism.
"I was very left-wing, but I was never a communist"
synonyms: collectivist, leftist, (radical) socialist; Soviet, Bolshevik, Bolshevist, Marxist, Leninist, Trotskyist, Trotskyite, Maoist; informal,commie, red, lefty, Bolshie
"he describes himself as a communist"

The real error is that of consistently identifying the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP) as "right wing". The Nazis were a socialist (meaning "left-wing") movement. That's a fact, and it is fully demonstrated in how their economy ran - which was that private industry owned the means of production, but gov't controlled the production. They were left-wing. Calling them anything else is pure historical revisionism, intended to brand the right with the sins of the left.

allisji wrote:It's even worse than that. If you expand the google definition they list the antonyms as "liberal" and "democratic" Meaning that being "right-wing" is undemocratic.

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Who gets to make this stuff up? Some professor at Cal Berkeley I assume..

bblhd672 wrote:Google is firmly planted in the left wing so no surprise there.

This stuff WAY predates Google. Back when I first registered as a democrat (1970), the Republican Party was cast by both democrats AND the MSM (AKA the DNC Media Dept) as "right wing" and "anti-democratic". I'm not trying to exonerate Google, but pointing out that the democrat party controlled the media much like the fascists did in Germany, Italy, and Japan, even back in 1970. I was just too brainwashed at the time to recognize it - having grown up in a solidly democrat family firmly ensconced in academia.

What was the single factor that made me aware of how blind I had been? Inheriting my first gun. My social conservatism is a product of my religious faith, which also followed that enlightenment. But it was coming into possession of a gun, and then learning how suppressed that right had become which led to my political enlightenment first. That's why they are so important to me. Yes, they have a definite use for self/home defense, and for use as part of the unorganized militia, etc., but it is their transcendent value as a political symbol of liberty that they stand for that is important. Whatever one thinks about Suzanna Gratia Hupp and her politics (not everybody agrees with her), she was spot on with this quote:

Suzanna Gratia Hupp wrote:"How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual… as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of."

She's absolutely right. If a politician does not think that you are a trustworthy and productive citizen who has an individual right to keep and bear arms without infringement, then that politician REALLY thinks that you are basically just livestock. I have three choice words for any such politician which may not be spoken on this forum, involving his/her exiting to have self knowledge.