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by AJSully421
Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:08 pm
Forum: Anti-gun propaganda and other lies!
Topic: The Founders were WRONG! Time to repeal the 2nd!
Replies: 42
Views: 4388

Re: The Founders were WRONG! Time to repeal the 2nd!

mojo84 wrote:
Soccerdad1995 wrote:
mojo84 wrote:
JALLEN wrote:
Dave2 wrote:
A 2nd civil war would be disastrous; worse than almost anything else I can think of.
Worse than being imprisoned for possession of a AR15 clone, or a standard magazine?
Bring it on, I cannot wait to fight for the Free States of America
Did you overlook this comment or just accept it as being ok? I agree with the rest of the comment but I cannot support looking forward to it as if it some kind of exciting event. There is a difference between acknowledging something and being prepared than gleefully looking forward to it.

Soccerdad, Appeasement is not what my comment is suggesting. Don't twist what I say for the sake of argument. I am very confident none of them was looking forward to and excited about the "fight". Don't try to claim they were.
I think you are reading more into the comment than I did. I took it as an acknowledgement that he would not back down from the challenge, not a desire for the conflict.

The conflict here is caused by people who are trying to take away rights from people. I hate that we have people who want to take away our rights. I wish that people did not have that desire to oppress others in this way. I sincerely wish that we could all live in peace and harmony. I really do. But we simply can't stop all evil people from being evil just by wishing that they were different.

The reality is that there are bad people in this world. One of them gave a campaign speech yesterday where he publicly announced that he wants to take away the rights and freedoms of Americans. And that man currently has the sworn loyalty of the most powerful military in the world. So, as much as we all hate it, our choices may well come down to either some level of appeasement by giving up our rights (which will eventually turn into a complete and total abandonment of all rights) or following the examples of our forefathers and exercising our right to change our system of government. Let's all strive to avoid that eventuality if at all possible, but if it comes to it, then yes I welcome the prospect of a fight precisely because the other alternative is so, so much worse.

I read and took what he said as what he said. I am not the one that read more into it or attributed a different meaning to it.

Quit lecturing me about our situation and what we face. I have a full and complete understanding of it. The lecturing is not responsive to my comment and it isn't necessary. Most of not all on here understands.
I understand what you are saying. When I say "I can't wait" it is basically my way of saying of "let's get this unpleasentness started so that we can get it finished and we can start enjoying the liberty that the Founders intended sooner rather than later... and while I am in my 30s, not my 70s".

I guess that line of my comment could be best summed up in the quote: ""If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." - Thomas Paine, 1780
by AJSully421
Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:02 pm
Forum: Anti-gun propaganda and other lies!
Topic: The Founders were WRONG! Time to repeal the 2nd!
Replies: 42
Views: 4388

Re: The Founders were WRONG! Time to repeal the 2nd!

cb1000rider wrote:AJSully421, I assure you that mojo isn't the guy you're looking for with all that "liberal" talk.

Tempering posts is perhaps appropriate in the context of civil debate and actually solving problems. I know that I've taught my kids that sometimes you have to have a little self-control before speaking. If you simply want to rant and express your feelings, perhaps that has value to you personally, but it's very unlikely to have a very positive outcome with a larger group. It's not likely to influence people and bring them around to your way of thinking.

Liberty is much more than gun ownership. A US president that would actively monitor and surveil American citizens simply based on their religious preference or ethic background - that doesn't sound like a person that values liberty or understands it very well.

There is no way that the founding fathers could have forseen the impact of 200+ years of technology... However, I think they did pretty darn well with that Constitution thing.
Right, I was not calling Mojo a liberal... those would be fighting words in my book. I was pointing out that all of us who are gun owners are already viewed as being radical nutjobs by the anti-gunners, so no words of mine are going to change that.

I agree whole-heartedly with your post about liberty, and even the presumptive republican nominee not being well acquainted with it.
by AJSully421
Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:14 am
Forum: Anti-gun propaganda and other lies!
Topic: The Founders were WRONG! Time to repeal the 2nd!
Replies: 42
Views: 4388

Re: The Founders were WRONG! Time to repeal the 2nd!

mojo84 wrote:
AJSully421 wrote: Bring it on, I cannot wait to fight for the Free States of America... or just have Texas secede and then I can patrol the Red or Sabine rivers.
This is the kind of comment that makes us all look like radical nutjobs. It definitely doesn't advance our cause by changing hearts and minds. It leads to further divisiveness and animosity and that is not what we need.
With respect, anyone for whom my comment would be taken as such would think the same of you.

To a rabid anti-gun liberal, you are clinically insane for even being interested in "instruments of death and destruction". The fact that you are a member of a forum that promotes owning and carrying hidden handguns that, in their view, can only be used to shoot blacks, gays, and children is all the evidence that they need that you are a nut.

I do not live my life, nor do I temper my posts, based on what some liberal will misconstrue my words to mean. They already have convinced themselves that all of us are insane, and nothing that we say or do will change that. You will never advance your cause with words on the Internet. You want to win hearts and minds, take them to a range. But even then, they may be "terrified" and have "short-term PTSD" after firing a gun.

Go do your thing and don't get hung up on how you are perceived by others.
by AJSully421
Wed Jun 15, 2016 8:51 am
Forum: Anti-gun propaganda and other lies!
Topic: The Founders were WRONG! Time to repeal the 2nd!
Replies: 42
Views: 4388

Re: The Founders were WRONG! Time to repeal the 2nd!

Dave2 wrote:
AJSully421 wrote:We are headed for a civil war. This nation is as divided on economic and social issues now as it was over slavery in 1860.

Bring it on, I cannot wait to fight for the Free States of America... or just have Texas secede and then I can patrol the Red or Sabine rivers.
Really? You can't wait to start killing your countrymen, and for some of your friends and family to die in the fighting? You can't wait for the inevitable food, water, and medicinal shortages which would result from the chaos of a civil war?

A 2nd civil war would be disastrous; worse than almost anything else I can think of.
What I dream of is the type of Liberty that the founders intended. That is something that I would be VERY willing to wade through the horrors and chaos that you have mentioned to obtain.

There were Americans who were willing to endure these horrors to protect the liberty of slaves. I am willing to do the same for the liberty of all Americans.

My real point is how divided this country is, and how wild-eyed nuts the left has become and how I do not see a way to restore our entire nation as a whole because the left, and the big cities that they control, are too far gone to be saved. Therefore, those of us who love Liberty are willing to do whatever it takes to have it, including everything that you mentioned. But, as was said above... It is not yet time. I just wish I knew if a Trump presidency would halt or hasten these problems... Mrs. Clinton will be worse than Obama! She can twist some arms and get things done that Obama could only dream of.

I sincerely fear for the future of this nation, and I especially fear that we are too far gone to be recovered. Then, the only way forward is for those of us with a clue to separate from those of us without. I will welcome that when it happens.
by AJSully421
Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:20 pm
Forum: Anti-gun propaganda and other lies!
Topic: The Founders were WRONG! Time to repeal the 2nd!
Replies: 42
Views: 4388

Re: The Founders were WRONG! Time to repeal the 2nd!

We are headed for a civil war. This nation is as divided on economic and social issues now as it was over slavery in 1860.

Bring it on, I cannot wait to fight for the Free States of America... or just have Texas secede and then I can patrol the Red or Sabine rivers.

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