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Oldgringo wrote: The only disagreement we have in your statement above is having to disarm to pick up your grand daughter. That makes about as much sense as the school zone cell phone thing, IMO.

As I said above, 'let 'er go boys' and allow legal CC on college campuses. If the students don't have the maturity and judgement to handle that awesome responsibility, then disallow the right while rigidly punishing the offender/s.

I agree that the gun free zone at the elementary school doesn't make sense but my tolerance level for that is better than for the UNT campus.

The interesting thing about CC on campus is that all of those who could carry in college buildings already have or could get a CHL in Texas. They already have that responsibility to carry in other locations. It seems illogical to me that they would suddenly go beserk upon entering a college building any more than I would. We have 21 year olds (according to my reading of the DPS statistics) with CHLs today. Passing campus carry would not change or expand that in any way. It would just expand the places where they could CC. A 21 year old can have a CC and go to a Frat house where a party is underway this evening. If that level of irresponsibility existed, it would have surfaced in the newspapers by now, at least to my way of thinking. We all know that the news print media would grab a story about a shooting at a Frat party by a CHLer in a heartbeat. Somehow, I don't think Texas students are less mature or lacking in judgement than Utah students, where CC is already permitted. Nope, it is just another "blood will run in the streets" scare tactic.

Oldgringo wrote: As do I. There is no issue with "the reality of crime and illegal gun use". The question is the group mentality/maturity setting of party/football weekend on a college campus. It is a sticky wicket, eh?

Oh well, I have no kids nor grandkids in any college anywhere and I have no business on any campus. Let 'er go boys, let's see how it works out....for all of us.

Best wishes, Bronco!

We can agree to disagree, based on a couple more points.

1. The "group mentality" that you talk about is not isolated to the campus environment. Young adults who have never set foot on a college campus are involved it, too. The truth is that many times the party atmosphere that you are speaking about occurs in off-campus houses, not the college dorms. Those off campus houses aren't legally controlled by the school. I do understand that school policies cover them but that isn't the same as the TPC or Federal gun free zone control.
2. Tonight, I will be going to the UNT campus to attend an event. I do this fairly often. When I attended UT Arlington classes, more than 10% of my classmates had grey hair like me. The demographics on campus today are different than you might expect, with a lot more people over 25 attending classes. I will tolerate disarming to pick up my granddaughter at her school during broad daylight. I see no excuse at all for my having to disarm to walk into a University building late at night. It is nothing but Liberal gun paranoia gone awry.

Excaliber wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:

RoyGBiv wrote:This Cato study is already discussed in another thread.
Here's my takeaway regarding campus carry.

Page 16-17
the numbers collected since 1900 show that
crimes of every nature are on the rise on college
campuses. Out of 110 years of data collected
and studied, the past two decades account
for 60 percent of the total number of
crimes committed. In 2008 there were 3,287
rapes, 60 killings, 5,026 assaults, and 4,562
robberies committed across college campuses.
Statistically, combining college campuses
nationwide, there are about 9 sexual
assaults per day.
........................
after Colorado’s 2003 concealed
carry law was enacted, Colorado State University
decided to allow concealed carry,
while the University of Colorado prohibited
firearms. The former observed a rapid decline
in reported crimes, while the latter, under
the gun ban they claimed was for safety,
observed a rapid increase in crime. Crime
at the University of Colorado has risen 35
percent since 2004, while crime at Colorado
State University has dropped 60 percent in
the same time frame.

All I can say is.....

To that, I would add.....

The explanation is easy - with rabid idealogues like those who dominate our government and schools, historically proven failed ideology wins over indisputable facts every time. The welfare of the people whose safety is entrusted to their care doesn't even enter into their minds when making their politically predetermined decisions.

It's the "Progressive" way.

I've had a number of conversations on information like this and the results make my head hurt. When I ask for one, just one, example of where such a policy has been proven to work, suddenly, were off on another tangent, unrelated to my question. They "just know" and cannot imagine why I don't just know, too. The next step is down the Bill Maher path where I'm somehow less intelligent in my failure to grasp the "truth" of the situation. I feel a migraine coming on.....

I attended the UT Arlington seminar on Concealed Carry last year. Like the UA president, the UTA President stood up in public and told all the students how he "just wanted to keep them safe." The leader of the session would have grown a 4 foot nose if he had been Pinocchio.