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Re: Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Active Shooter

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:00 am
by bblhd672
Las Vegas Bump Stock FOIA Claims ATF Not Allowed to Examine Weapons
https://www.ammoland.com/2018/08/las-ve ... z5OfrlapjU
ATF was “not allowed to physically examine the interior of the weapons” recovered from the Las Vegas shooter’s hotel room, a new Freedom of Information Act production by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives reveals. The baffling revelation appears on page 335 of a response sent to attorney Stephen Stamboulieh as part of an ongoing production of documents responding to his FOIA request.

This leads to another problem for those intending to challenge any finalized rule ATF issues on banning “bump stock”-type devices.

“ATF did not disclose that they had not examined the firearms prior to promulgating the rule,” firearms designer and Historic Arms, LLC President Len Savage notes. “And now that the comment period is closed should they go forward with this rule under the Administrative Procedure Act that information can not be used in a court challenge because it was not submitted prior to closing of comments.

Re: Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Active Shooter

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:19 pm
by BBYC
I wonder who told them to hide that evidence until after the comments period closed.

Re: Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Active Shooter

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:50 pm
by bblhd672
Feds Scramble as Vegas Shooter’s Girlfriend Reportedly Listed FBI as Place of Employment
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/maril ... -shooting/
Las Vegas, NV — A bombshell revelation in regard to the massacre that took place last October in Las Vegas has surfaced this week, suggesting that Stephan Paddock’s girlfriend, Marilou Danley could’ve been an FBI asset. According to a credit application, as reported by True Pundit, Danley listed the FBI as an employer.

This is the same Danley whose fingerprints were found on the ammunition used to murder 58 people on 1 October. The same Danley who admitted to law enforcement that she helped Paddock load the magazines Paddock would use that fateful night.

This is the same Danley who was reportedly visiting family in the Philippines at the time, and set her Facebook account to private at 12:38 a.m. and then deleted it entirely at 2:46 a.m.—nearly one hour before Paddock’s name was publicly released as the suspect in the shooting. The same Danley whose player’s card Paddock was using the night he murdered all those people.

According to the publicly available intelligence obtained from a consumer credit reporting bureau, Danley claimed she previously worked at the FBI. While anyone can certainly claim anyone else as an employer, according to True Pundit, they contacted the FBI who said their “bosses are concerned” over this revelation.

Re: Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Active Shooter

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:17 pm
by MaduroBU
All of the other mass shooters have wanted their victims to see and fear them. It has been a individuals who felt powerless gaining a transient sense of control through violence, and who kill themselves before that fleeting experience is ended by the LE response.

Paddock mirrored that pattern only in his suicide. Terrorism and terrorists are not focused upon themselves but upon a cause; their aims can be declared for them by others even after the fact. They don't require intimate contact with their victims because the sense of power and control is not the end goal. Paddock's distance from his victims and his apparent disinterest in being known or "finally understood" seem more similar to terrorism than to the "commando fantasy" shooters that we so often see.

Maybe we never make even the usual amount of sense of this crime, but it seems odd to me.

Re: Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Active Shooter

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 1:20 pm
by philip964

Re: Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Active Shooter

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:16 pm
by bigtek
MaduroBU wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:17 pm
All of the other mass shooters have wanted their victims to see and fear them. It has been a individuals who felt powerless gaining a transient sense of control through violence, and who kill themselves before that fleeting experience is ended by the LE response.

Paddock mirrored that pattern only in his suicide. Terrorism and terrorists are not focused upon themselves but upon a cause; their aims can be declared for them by others even after the fact. They don't require intimate contact with their victims because the sense of power and control is not the end goal. Paddock's distance from his victims and his apparent disinterest in being known or "finally understood" seem more similar to terrorism than to the "commando fantasy" shooters that we so often see.

Maybe we never make even the usual amount of sense of this crime, but it seems odd to me.
It makes complete sense if it was a false flag operation. But that's just crazy talk, right?

Re: Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Active Shooter

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:51 pm
by MaduroBU
It makes sense if the terrorists figured out how to recruit through leverage.

Re: Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Active Shooter

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:15 pm
by Paladin
bigtek wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:16 pm
MaduroBU wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:17 pm
All of the other mass shooters have wanted their victims to see and fear them. It has been a individuals who felt powerless gaining a transient sense of control through violence, and who kill themselves before that fleeting experience is ended by the LE response.

Paddock mirrored that pattern only in his suicide. Terrorism and terrorists are not focused upon themselves but upon a cause; their aims can be declared for them by others even after the fact. They don't require intimate contact with their victims because the sense of power and control is not the end goal. Paddock's distance from his victims and his apparent disinterest in being known or "finally understood" seem more similar to terrorism than to the "commando fantasy" shooters that we so often see.

Maybe we never make even the usual amount of sense of this crime, but it seems odd to me.
It makes complete sense if it was a false flag operation. But that's just crazy talk, right?
The craziest part is that the whole event is was so much like what Matthew Bracken wrote about in his book Enemies Foreign And Domestic

Re: Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Active Shooter

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:37 pm
by Abraham
...and this scenario/situation lures me into believing nothing is worth my time...it's all false...why bother, with anything, like some sci-fi movie all is fake...are we really alive or is our world is also fake...?

The lv situation is so beyond belief as to make me doubt I'm not living in some alternative universe....

Re: Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Active Shooter

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:15 am
by philip964

Re: Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Active Shooter

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:02 pm
by Deltaboy
Sad day prayers for the folks who survived and those who lost folks!

Re: Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Active Shooter

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:22 pm
by bigtek
Paladin wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 4:15 pm
bigtek wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:16 pm
MaduroBU wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:17 pm
All of the other mass shooters have wanted their victims to see and fear them. It has been a individuals who felt powerless gaining a transient sense of control through violence, and who kill themselves before that fleeting experience is ended by the LE response.

Paddock mirrored that pattern only in his suicide. Terrorism and terrorists are not focused upon themselves but upon a cause; their aims can be declared for them by others even after the fact. They don't require intimate contact with their victims because the sense of power and control is not the end goal. Paddock's distance from his victims and his apparent disinterest in being known or "finally understood" seem more similar to terrorism than to the "commando fantasy" shooters that we so often see.

Maybe we never make even the usual amount of sense of this crime, but it seems odd to me.
It makes complete sense if it was a false flag operation. But that's just crazy talk, right?
The craziest part is that the whole event is was so much like what Matthew Bracken wrote about in his book Enemies Foreign And Domestic
Wow! Ten years ago it was tinfoil hat territory but after the Cirque de Kavanaugh, antifa violence, and so on, it doesn't seem so improbable.

Keep your powder dry.

Re: Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Active Shooter

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:33 pm
by bbhack
There are several things that fall under "crazy", the word used in the vernacular. Hearing voices. Over-reaction. Under-reaction. Improper reaction. And yes, making no sense at all. We want motives to explain what people do, and sometimes the motive is "crazy".

Re: Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Active Shooter

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:01 pm
by TreyHouston
FBI closes case.

MOVE ON, nothing to see here


Las Vegas shooting still a mystery as FBI closes investigation

https://www.foxnews.com/us/las-vegas-sh ... estigation

Re: Las Vegas Mandalay Bay Active Shooter

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:28 pm
by ninjabread
I'm not surprised. Why continue the charade after they got what they wanted?

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