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You may know a bar when you see one but TABC says a lot of bowling alleys are 51% bars. Even kids gymnastics can be 51% bars according to TABC. http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic. ... s#p1112090The Wall wrote:I think everyone knows what a bar is. An alcoholic beverage drinking establishment.
Well, the new law should take TABC out of the picture in determining what a bar is. A bar should be a place where 99% of income is from alcohol.bigtek wrote:You may know a bar when you see one but TABC says a lot of bowling alleys are 51% bars. Even kids gymnastics can be 51% bars according to TABC. http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic. ... s#p1112090The Wall wrote:I think everyone knows what a bar is. An alcoholic beverage drinking establishment.
The Wall wrote:Well, the new law should take TABC out of the picture in determining what a bar is. A bar should be a place where 99% of income is from alcohol. And you have to be 21 to be on the premises.bigtek wrote:You may know a bar when you see one but TABC says a lot of bowling alleys are 51% bars. Even kids gymnastics can be 51% bars according to TABC. http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic. ... s#p1112090The Wall wrote:I think everyone knows what a bar is. An alcoholic beverage drinking establishment.
No on-premise license needed for samples since they are not being "sold". I am not aware of a liquor store that sells for both on and off premise consumption, but a lot of beer licenses are that way, as are a lot of winery licenses. One problem Texas has is that our business model for drinking is still based on 1935 economics and technology. We need to redo it and hotels, wineries, and beer pubs have really twisted the laws up.ScottDLS wrote:I have never seen a wine or liquor store that "sells" anything for on premises consumption. I've been in many with blue signs that offer samples. Are any stores that offer samples required to get an on premises license?
In other words...eliminate 46.035 since it ONLY applies to LTC, and then make LTC an exception to 46.03. The Ft. Worth Zoo does not have a 51% sign, so therefore the rule doesn't apply and even if it did, it would only be to buildings. State Fair used to post 51% signs, but since the definition of "premises" doesn't include outdoors, that was bogus. Unfortunately, that didn't stop them from physically preventing you from entering. Eventually they stopped posting.MeMelYup wrote:What I understand from listening to Charles is that doing away with most of 46.03/.035 will stop things like the Texas State Fair being off limits for LTC's because of someone's 51% sign being posted at the entry gate. A concert being off limits because a vendor has used that address for his license to sell beer, therefore the entire location is listed as 51%. The Ft Worth or Waco zoos being off limits to LTC because the managing company or a vendor has a license to sell alcohol at that location and uses that address in the license.
All we need to do is get most of 46.03 and 46.035 not applying to LTC.
There a a lot of places that would be affected. Lewisville has resorted to posting their whole downtown area as 51% for their "Western Days" festival. Bass Hall in Ft. Worth has the same thing you mentioned - the whole building is 51% because there is an alcohol vendor. The Meyerson in Dallas doesn't. I would love to go to hear more concerts and shows at Bass Hall but it isn't a place I want to go unarmed. I'd be happy not to have a glass of wine during intermission to be to carry. I have never done that when attending a concert anyway.MeMelYup wrote:What I understand from listening to Charles is that doing away with most of 46.03/.035 will stop things like the Texas State Fair being off limits for LTC's because of someone's 51% sign being posted at the entry gate. A concert being off limits because a vendor has used that address for his license to sell beer, therefore the entire location is listed as 51%. The Ft Worth or Waco zoos being off limits to LTC because the managing company or a vendor has a license to sell alcohol at that location and uses that address in the license.
All we need to do is get most of 46.03 and 46.035 not applying to LTC.
In Austin, a few places come to mind as well. Namely, Moody Theatre and the Long Center for Performing Arts - both because of outsourcing food & beverage sales.chasfm11 wrote:There a a lot of places that would be affected. Lewisville has resorted to posting their whole downtown area as 51% for their "Western Days" festival. Bass Hall in Ft. Worth has the same thing you mentioned - the whole building is 51% because there is an alcohol vendor. The Meyerson in Dallas doesn't. I would love to go to hear more concerts and shows at Bass Hall but it isn't a place I want to go unarmed. I'd be happy not to have a glass of wine during intermission to be to carry. I have never done that when attending a concert anyway.MeMelYup wrote:What I understand from listening to Charles is that doing away with most of 46.03/.035 will stop things like the Texas State Fair being off limits for LTC's because of someone's 51% sign being posted at the entry gate. A concert being off limits because a vendor has used that address for his license to sell beer, therefore the entire location is listed as 51%. The Ft Worth or Waco zoos being off limits to LTC because the managing company or a vendor has a license to sell alcohol at that location and uses that address in the license.
All we need to do is get most of 46.03 and 46.035 not applying to LTC.
The Ft. Worth Zoo will likely keep coming up stupid excuses until they have to pay money. How they can be a child care facility AND have a liquor license is a testimony to a lack of common sense.
Minors should not be allowed in bars. That would help stop the current abuse.The Wall wrote:Well, the new law should take TABC out of the picture in determining what a bar is. A bar should be a place where 99% of income is from alcohol.
The whole concept of distributors is to keep money flowing into the political process.. It a state-sponsored monopoly designed to crush out independent entrepreneurs.oohrah wrote:Srothstein said "One problem Texas has is that our business model for drinking is still based on 1935 economics and technology. We need to redo it and hotels, wineries, and beer pubs have really twisted the laws up."
Actually I think it's based on Baptist theology,
and the reason it's screwed up today is because the distributors control the game.