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5th Circuit Court of Appeals - TX voter ID law

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:18 pm
by mojo84
Found it is discriminatory and unconstitutional per reports.

Re: 5th Circuit Court of Appeals - TX voter ID law

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:58 pm
by mr1337
Came here to post about it as well.

I wonder if they could do the same for LTCs, which I think could be more discriminatory than the voter ID laws because of the fees involved.

To my point, here's a quote from the article:
No American should ever lose their right to vote just because they don’t have a photo ID.
I don't think an ID should be required for any rights.

No American should ever lose their right to bear arms just because they don’t have a photo ID.

No American should ever lose their right to be free from unreasonable search & seizures just because they don’t have a photo ID.

No American should ever lose their right to remain silent just because they don’t have a photo ID.

No American should ever lose their right to a trial by the jury of their peers just because they don’t have a photo ID.

The list could go on.

Re: 5th Circuit Court of Appeals - TX voter ID law

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:12 pm
by Middle Age Russ
I am not sure that the Courts haven't decided to get on the "Turn Texas Blue" bandwagon. One voter -- one vote. If you can't validate that you are someone who can vote, you should not be allowed to.

Re: 5th Circuit Court of Appeals - TX voter ID law

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:26 pm
by NTexCopRetired
So will the IRS be found to be "discriminatory and unconstitutional" when they have a mandatory requirement to furnish your government issued ID to get a tax refund? Starting next April.

Re: 5th Circuit Court of Appeals - TX voter ID law

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:34 pm
by rotor
NTexCopRetired wrote:So will the IRS be found to be "discriminatory and unconstitutional" when they have a mandatory requirement to furnish your government issued ID to get a tax refund? Starting next April.
Or try to sign up for your social security without some excellent ID like a certified copy of your birth certificate or passport.

Re: 5th Circuit Court of Appeals - TX voter ID law

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:26 pm
by JALLEN
What's the objection to having ID?

I realize there is a long, proud tradtion in our DNA of "you can't make me!" but really, given the equally, and maybe even more, important stake in the integrity of our votes, what's the objection?

The Communists formerly known as Democrats have a long rich history of election rigging. At my former polling place in California, anyone could walk in, say they were me and get a ballot. There is no effective means of determining eligibility to vote, or establishing who is voting. One of my pals, not a US citizen, could have cast a ballot. No one would really know. As prevalent as ID theft has become, it is appalling, and unacceptable, to be unable to be sure that only eligible voters vote, and only once and that it is really them voting.

Re: 5th Circuit Court of Appeals - TX voter ID law

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:39 pm
by koine2002
The left wants us to be more like Europe. Do they not realize that most European countries require government issued ID? There's a provision for someone to get, free of charge, an ID specifically for voting in the Texas law. How is that so hard? Furthermore, based on what I get in the mail, I could vote about 8 times each election (without ID) as previous residents (who have moved out of state) still get voter registration sent to my address. I just let those folks know that they're getting registration cards and to notify the appropriate authorities. I then shred them.

Re: 5th Circuit Court of Appeals - TX voter ID law

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:25 pm
by mojo84
JALLEN wrote:What's the objection to having ID?

I realize there is a long, proud tradtion in our DNA of "you can't make me!" but really, given the equally, and maybe even more, important stake in the integrity of our votes, what's the objection?

The Communists formerly known as Democrats have a long rich history of election rigging. At my former polling place in California, anyone could walk in, say they were me and get a ballot. There is no effective means of determining eligibility to vote, or establishing who is voting. One of my pals, not a US citizen, could have cast a ballot. No one would really know. As prevalent as ID theft has become, it is appalling, and unacceptable, to be unable to be sure that only eligible voters vote, and only once and that it is really them voting.
You'll have to ask the 5th Circuit and the progressive dems. I support an ID to vote 100%.

Re: 5th Circuit Court of Appeals - TX voter ID law

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:31 am
by sbrawley
koine2002 wrote:The left wants us to be more like Europe. Do they not realize that most European countries require government issued ID? There's a provision for someone to get, free of charge, an ID specifically for voting in the Texas law. How is that so hard? Furthermore, based on what I get in the mail, I could vote about 8 times each election (without ID) as previous residents (who have moved out of state) still get voter registration sent to my address. I just let those folks know that they're getting registration cards and to notify the appropriate authorities. I then shred them.
Do they not realize that we broke away from a European country to become an independent nation?

Re: 5th Circuit Court of Appeals - TX voter ID law

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:32 am
by eureka40
Where is the "right" to vote listed in the constitution?

Re: 5th Circuit Court of Appeals - TX voter ID law

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:31 am
by Pawpaw
Without the right to vote, the Constitution is just a piece of paper.

Re: 5th Circuit Court of Appeals - TX voter ID law

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:04 am
by Vol Texan
Pawpaw wrote:Without the right to vote, the Constitution is just a piece of paper.
It's hard to believe that a liberal rag could get it right, but this one does:

Salon.com: Voting is not a right

How could it be a right, but the SCOTUS said it wasn't (when it affirmed Bush v Gore), and the left wants to introduce the right as an amendment?

Re: 5th Circuit Court of Appeals - TX voter ID law

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:49 am
by brokedown48
I personally don't see anything wrong with having to have photo ID to vote, should help cut down on fraud, prove who you are & that you are legally allowed to vote

Re: 5th Circuit Court of Appeals - TX voter ID law

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:21 am
by koine2002
Pawpaw wrote:Without the right to vote, the Constitution is just a piece of paper.
Meh. Most of the founders did not like universal suffrage. They didn't trust democracy. They trusted the rule of law. That's why we're a republic. Before later amended, the constitution had only landowning free men as those who could vote. While I despise slavery and institutional racism, I see the point. I'm more about protecting the fact that we're governed by impartial law not by partial men (the rule of law), the primacy of the states, and individual liberty than I am for defending the tyranny of a majority. There was great concern among the founders that an uninformed populace would vote away the revolution, would vote largess for themselves, and would vote away their rights in the name of other things.

Re: 5th Circuit Court of Appeals - TX voter ID law

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:28 am
by Vol Texan
koine2002 wrote:There was great concern among the founders that an uninformed populace would vote away the revolution, would vote largess for themselves, and would vote away their rights in the name of other things.
And their concerns have come to fruition.