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Points noted.ELB wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:29 amNot an excuse, and jury still out on what exactly happened here, but fatigue is not a trivial factor either. The military and commercial air services came to grips with this a long time ago because when a pilot makes a fatigue-induced error that kills, it's immediate, spectacular, and takes a lot of people and $$$ with him. Hence flying hour restrictions are in place. The commercial trucking industry has sleep/drive restrictions. It appears to me the work shifts for doctors in training and in ERs are often pretty brutal, actually, and it's been accepted for a long time that it's part of being a doctor in those circumstances. Coincidentally perhaps, there seem to be a high rate of errors in hospitals. But the results of erroneous medicine happen to individual patients, one at a time, and are not always fatal,, and thus are handled individually. So short of cutting off the wrong leg they don't make a newspaper headline like crashing an airliner does.Killadocg23 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:25 am Being tired from working a 14hr shift is no excuse. How many thousands of people work 14hr shifts everyday and don’t go to the wrong apartment and shoot somebody in their OWN apartment. Just wow.
Cops would seem to be in a similar situation as doctors -- long shifts, sometimes double shifts, probably most fatigue-induced errors are small and not very noticeable to the public at large. Applying duty hour restrictions to cops (and medical personnel) will drive up costs substantially, so I don't see anyone making a push for this any time soon.
There are duty restriction in place for medical residents.Killadocg23 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:18 pmPoints noted.ELB wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:29 amNot an excuse, and jury still out on what exactly happened here, but fatigue is not a trivial factor either. The military and commercial air services came to grips with this a long time ago because when a pilot makes a fatigue-induced error that kills, it's immediate, spectacular, and takes a lot of people and $$$ with him. Hence flying hour restrictions are in place. The commercial trucking industry has sleep/drive restrictions. It appears to me the work shifts for doctors in training and in ERs are often pretty brutal, actually, and it's been accepted for a long time that it's part of being a doctor in those circumstances. Coincidentally perhaps, there seem to be a high rate of errors in hospitals. But the results of erroneous medicine happen to individual patients, one at a time, and are not always fatal,, and thus are handled individually. So short of cutting off the wrong leg they don't make a newspaper headline like crashing an airliner does.Killadocg23 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:25 am Being tired from working a 14hr shift is no excuse. How many thousands of people work 14hr shifts everyday and don’t go to the wrong apartment and shoot somebody in their OWN apartment. Just wow.
Cops would seem to be in a similar situation as doctors -- long shifts, sometimes double shifts, probably most fatigue-induced errors are small and not very noticeable to the public at large. Applying duty hour restrictions to cops (and medical personnel) will drive up costs substantially, so I don't see anyone making a push for this any time soon.
I agree with your first statement. However, in this case the LEO was NOT treated in the same manner that you would have been. You would have been placed in custody pending an arraignment and being charged with manslaughter. Almost assuredly that would have happened the following morning at the earliest. You would have had to hire an attorney sometime during the night or early the next morning to represent you, and only AFTER the hearing when a formal charge had been made, would you have had the opportunity to try and make bail. The officer was not placed in custody or required to make bail and was allowed to remain free while charges were pending.Soccerdad1995 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:45 pm We empower LEO's with the ability to arrest and imprison our fellow citizens. This responsibility should come with a higher standard of acceptable behavior than we have for the citizenry as a whole. We don't yet know all the facts here. But I do know that this officer should be held to at least the same standard that would apply if I (a non-LEO) did the same thing she did.
Obviously a full investigation needs to occur and if there was prior intent that changes everything. But, if the fact is that there was no prior intent, then it sounds like the LEO is being treated in the same way that a non-LEO citizen would be. That was my main point and concern.
While it is undoubtedly true that fatigue is not a trivial factor, neither is it an acceptable defense. However that is about the only straw that her attorney has to grasp at from the looks of it at this point.ELB wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:29 amNot an excuse, and jury still out on what exactly happened here, but fatigue is not a trivial factor either.Killadocg23 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:25 am Being tired from working a 14hr shift is no excuse. How many thousands of people work 14hr shifts everyday and don’t go to the wrong apartment and shoot somebody in their OWN apartment. Just wow.
Investigators said in a search warrant of the apartment of Botham Jean, 26, that they were looking for “any contraband, such as narcotics, and other items that may have been used in criminal offenses.” Investigators later said in a court document that they found 10.4 grams of marijuana during Saturday's search.
“The warrant seems to only be designed for one particular purpose,” Merritt said, “and that is to smear the victim.”
Interesting if true.He said the officer's home has not been searched.
Neurosurgery residents don't have duty hour restrictions. I routinely violated them while in training. It's just part of the job.Bitter Clinger wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:24 pmThere are duty restriction in place for medical residents.Killadocg23 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:18 pmPoints noted.ELB wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:29 amNot an excuse, and jury still out on what exactly happened here, but fatigue is not a trivial factor either. The military and commercial air services came to grips with this a long time ago because when a pilot makes a fatigue-induced error that kills, it's immediate, spectacular, and takes a lot of people and $$$ with him. Hence flying hour restrictions are in place. The commercial trucking industry has sleep/drive restrictions. It appears to me the work shifts for doctors in training and in ERs are often pretty brutal, actually, and it's been accepted for a long time that it's part of being a doctor in those circumstances. Coincidentally perhaps, there seem to be a high rate of errors in hospitals. But the results of erroneous medicine happen to individual patients, one at a time, and are not always fatal,, and thus are handled individually. So short of cutting off the wrong leg they don't make a newspaper headline like crashing an airliner does.Killadocg23 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:25 am Being tired from working a 14hr shift is no excuse. How many thousands of people work 14hr shifts everyday and don’t go to the wrong apartment and shoot somebody in their OWN apartment. Just wow.
Cops would seem to be in a similar situation as doctors -- long shifts, sometimes double shifts, probably most fatigue-induced errors are small and not very noticeable to the public at large. Applying duty hour restrictions to cops (and medical personnel) will drive up costs substantially, so I don't see anyone making a push for this any time soon.
How long ago was that?MaduroBU wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:05 amNeurosurgery residents don't have duty hour restrictions. I routinely violated them while in training. It's just part of the job.Bitter Clinger wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:24 pmThere are duty restriction in place for medical residents.Killadocg23 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:18 pmPoints noted.ELB wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:29 amNot an excuse, and jury still out on what exactly happened here, but fatigue is not a trivial factor either. The military and commercial air services came to grips with this a long time ago because when a pilot makes a fatigue-induced error that kills, it's immediate, spectacular, and takes a lot of people and $$$ with him. Hence flying hour restrictions are in place. The commercial trucking industry has sleep/drive restrictions. It appears to me the work shifts for doctors in training and in ERs are often pretty brutal, actually, and it's been accepted for a long time that it's part of being a doctor in those circumstances. Coincidentally perhaps, there seem to be a high rate of errors in hospitals. But the results of erroneous medicine happen to individual patients, one at a time, and are not always fatal,, and thus are handled individually. So short of cutting off the wrong leg they don't make a newspaper headline like crashing an airliner does.Killadocg23 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:25 am Being tired from working a 14hr shift is no excuse. How many thousands of people work 14hr shifts everyday and don’t go to the wrong apartment and shoot somebody in their OWN apartment. Just wow.
Cops would seem to be in a similar situation as doctors -- long shifts, sometimes double shifts, probably most fatigue-induced errors are small and not very noticeable to the public at large. Applying duty hour restrictions to cops (and medical personnel) will drive up costs substantially, so I don't see anyone making a push for this any time soon.
If this is true, this really is starting to smell bad.thatguyoverthere wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:47 am https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/la ... ar-n909506
Investigators said in a search warrant of the apartment of Botham Jean, 26, that they were looking for “any contraband, such as narcotics, and other items that may have been used in criminal offenses.” Investigators later said in a court document that they found 10.4 grams of marijuana during Saturday's search.“The warrant seems to only be designed for one particular purpose,” Merritt said, “and that is to smear the victim.”Interesting if true.He said the officer's home has not been searched.
But it is off to the side of the door. Not on it. I can see how I wouldn't look at the number.bblhd672 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:58 pm https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ghbor.html
Video showing how heavy metal fire doors automatically slam shut in building where white Dallas cop shot her black neighbor and apartment numbers are lit up in NEON contradict her story.
I would say that this would not look good if they did not also search the shooters apartment.Soccerdad1995 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:48 amIf this is true, this really is starting to smell bad.thatguyoverthere wrote: ↑Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:47 am https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/la ... ar-n909506
Investigators said in a search warrant of the apartment of Botham Jean, 26, that they were looking for “any contraband, such as narcotics, and other items that may have been used in criminal offenses.” Investigators later said in a court document that they found 10.4 grams of marijuana during Saturday's search.“The warrant seems to only be designed for one particular purpose,” Merritt said, “and that is to smear the victim.”Interesting if true.He said the officer's home has not been searched.