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Re: Thinking of Getting an FFL

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:04 pm
by OldCannon
loktite wrote:googlefu shows the current word is that ATF will not be issuing new FFL licenses to home based business, however will be doing renewals for the time being. RSR group is no longer shipping firearms to homebased or "kitchen FFL's" as of 6/21.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/0 ... -shipping/

In deference to the rules of this forum, I must state, unequivocally, these rumors are borne specifically from the southern end of a northbound horse.

Re: Thinking of Getting an FFL

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:09 pm
by OldCannon
I should also add: An FFL license is a "shall issue", not a "may issue." If you qualify with all state and local laws for your location, and you pass the ATF background check, you get the license.

Re: Thinking of Getting an FFL

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 2:10 pm
by loktite
Yeah, that website can equated to the National Enquirer lol. But I do believe the RSR group is no longer selling to home-based low quantity FFL's. I've edited my other post.

Re: Thinking of Getting an FFL

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:40 pm
by gljjt
Scott B. wrote:Be wary of 'facts' posted on that particular web site...and certainly do not take their advice on NFA requirements for marking a lower.

"Not everything you read on the internet is true." ~ Abraham Lincoln, 1868.

Re: Thinking of Getting an FFL

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:41 pm
by superchief
I don't know if the RSR thing is true or if it would apply to me as a home-based FFL business. I know I got my original license in less than 30 days from when I mailed it and have renewed it one time. I know the ATF person that came to my house to go over procedures with me (not an inspection or an approval interview) checked with my city zoning people to assure it was within my city's code to run a business in my home.

I very rarely sell guns. There's just no money in that. I do 99.99% of my business on transfers, shipping for customers to FFLs, and helping them sell on GunBroker. I've transferred close to 300 guns over the last 4 years, so I guess I'll have to see if that will qualify me as "in the business" of being a dealer. My only evidence that it does is that I just got my SOT to deal Class 3 items. I know it's a tax, not a license, but I can't believe the ATF would take my tax payment and deny the FFL required to use it.

Re: Thinking of Getting an FFL

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:01 pm
by OldCannon
loktite wrote:Yeah, that website can equated to the National Enquirer lol. But I do believe the RSR group is no longer selling to home-based low quantity FFL's. I've edited my other post.
Yes, confirmed. RSR no longer sells to home based dealers. TONS of other distributors out there. There's definitely a handful of the big distros that don't take you in unless you run a B&M store.

Re: Thinking of Getting an FFL

Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:07 am
by taylormade
I dont mean to clog up the thread- I can make a new one if need be.

Can anyone make any recommendations on how to talk to your HOA? I have some pretty iron clad verbiage in mine that makes me reluctant to ask for a letter of approval.

Mine states- No trade or business may be conducted in or from any dwelling, lots or homesite except; (a) business activity does not involve visitation to the Dwelling by clients, customers, and suppliers or other business invitees. (b) business activity must be consistent with the residential character of the property and does not constitute a nuisance, a hazard or offensive use.

Re: Thinking of Getting an FFL

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:49 pm
by OldCannon
taylormade wrote:I dont mean to clog up the thread- I can make a new one if need be.

Can anyone make any recommendations on how to talk to your HOA? I have some pretty iron clad verbiage in mine that makes me reluctant to ask for a letter of approval.

Mine states- No trade or business may be conducted in or from any dwelling, lots or homesite except; (a) business activity does not involve visitation to the Dwelling by clients, customers, and suppliers or other business invitees. (b) business activity must be consistent with the residential character of the property and does not constitute a nuisance, a hazard or offensive use.
Generally speaking, that's what my HOA's rules said too.

Here's the thing: If you want to get an FFL to sell a boatload of guns, your HOA isn't going to approve. They'd likely do the same if you were selling a boatload of Yeti coolers out of your garage. My FFL is focused on gunsmithing and special services. Low traffic, specialty work. If that's your plan (scope mounting for select customers, etc.), then you can probably get approval. Otherwise, you're likely to be turned down. I got permission from my HOA, but I am strictly forbidden from selling firearms and ammo. That's fine, because I explicitly stated I won't be selling firearms and ammo. I don't run a gun store.

Bottom line: You won't know until you ask :)

Re: Thinking of Getting an FFL

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:50 pm
by mrvmax
taylormade wrote:I dont mean to clog up the thread- I can make a new one if need be.

Can anyone make any recommendations on how to talk to your HOA? I have some pretty iron clad verbiage in mine that makes me reluctant to ask for a letter of approval.

Mine states- No trade or business may be conducted in or from any dwelling, lots or homesite except; (a) business activity does not involve visitation to the Dwelling by clients, customers, and suppliers or other business invitees. (b) business activity must be consistent with the residential character of the property and does not constitute a nuisance, a hazard or offensive use.
First, do what Old Cannon stated and if they say no go to plan B. Look on Google maps to see if there are any other home based businesses in your neighborhood. I saw several in mine (pest control, IT company etc. If they will not allow you then they should not be allowing anyone else either so try to use that for leverage. Just make sure there are no "favors" being done for other people, that may end up getting your neighbors mad at you though. You can also consider renting a small office, I've seen them as cheap as $100 a month. In the long run you'll be better off not being in a house,many distributors will no longer sell to those without a store front.

Re: Thinking of Getting an FFL

Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:51 pm
by mrvmax
OldCannon wrote:
loktite wrote:googlefu shows the current word is that ATF will not be issuing new FFL licenses to home based business, however will be doing renewals for the time being. RSR group is no longer shipping firearms to homebased or "kitchen FFL's" as of 6/21.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/0 ... -shipping/

In deference to the rules of this forum, I must state, unequivocally, these rumors are borne specifically from the southern end of a northbound horse.
FYI I am still home based and just got my renewal in the mail.

Re: Thinking of Getting an FFL

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2016 2:24 pm
by fasteddie
I am home based and just had my interview with the IOI this morning.