Fixed it for you.Beiruty wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:31 pm Just a get C̶a̶n̶i̶k̶ Glock and thank me later. A S̶A̶R̶9̶ M&P9 is even an excellent pistol for less.
I am biased I never liked the G̶l̶o̶c̶k̶s̶ Caniks





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Fixed it for you.Beiruty wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:31 pm Just a get C̶a̶n̶i̶k̶ Glock and thank me later. A S̶A̶R̶9̶ M&P9 is even an excellent pistol for less.
I am biased I never liked the G̶l̶o̶c̶k̶s̶ Caniks
Buy made in USA. Buy SIG M17The Annoyed Man wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:36 pmFixed it for you.Beiruty wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:31 pm Just a get C̶a̶n̶i̶k̶ Glock and thank me later. A S̶A̶R̶9̶ M&P9 is even an excellent pistol for less.
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My Glocks were all made in the USA, except for my wife's original Gen3 G19, purchased back in 2008.Beiruty wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:14 pmBuy made in USA. Buy SIG M17The Annoyed Man wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:36 pmFixed it for you.Beiruty wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:31 pm Just a get C̶a̶n̶i̶k̶ Glock and thank me later. A S̶A̶R̶9̶ M&P9 is even an excellent pistol for less.
I am biased I never liked the G̶l̶o̶c̶k̶s̶ Caniks![]()
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I certainly understand the logic. But for me it's about being more than a hobbyist. I started loading 9mm back when the cost advantage was even lower than it is today. I felt that I could make better ammo than I could buy. I have that mindset for every caliber I shoot.The Annoyed Man wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:55 pm It’s my observation that many of us who reload tend not to reload for all of our calibers, tending to load for limited purposes. So I think that your experience is probably applied over a broader range than most of us. I actually have the dies for most of the calibers I shoot, but I only actually reload for one of them right now—.308 Winchester—and plan to add two others, .300 Blackout and .30-30. And although I have worked up a decent hunting load for the .308, most of what I’ve done in that caliber has been aimed at target shooting, and I now have a really good load for that. But I’d like to work up some good hunting loads for both the .300 Blk and .30-30. Good commercial ammo is available for all of these calibers, but I want to bag some game with ammo that I built. I’m especially interested in duplicating/exceeding the 160 grain Hornady LEVERevolution FTX .30-30 cartridge, which shoots very well in my Marlin.
But otherwise, I don’t have a lot of interest as a hobbyist, if you will, in reloading pistol ammo in order to wring every last iota of performance out of it. IF I have an interest in reloading pistol ammo, it’s primarily about having cheap ammo. I don’t compete, so COAL v. chamber dimension doesn’t really matter to me as long as it is within nominal SAAMI spec for the cartridge. At some point I’ll buy a multi-stage press so I can load a lot of it at once. But to be honest, I just don’t have the patience to build several hundred pistol rounds using my single-stage Rockchucker. If I were a competitive shooter, maybe I’d feel differently about it.
Anyway, all of this is to say that by extension, the chamber length of a particular brand of pistol doesn’t inform whether or not I buy that pistol. I either buy it for its reputation for reliability and features, or for its esthetic appeal—or both—trusting that the chamber dimensions are within SAAMI spec for the caliber. I bought my first Glock because of my wife, as I’ve previously explained. I bought the rest for the first reason—their reputation for reliability. But as I’ve owned them over time, their appeal has morphed also into an appreciation for their blue collar ethic and plebeian simplicity. Yeah, they’re ugly, but they’re not.
Yeah, I absolutely get that, and I’m not criticizing your thinking. My point was simply that, within the context of my life, I don’t have the patience for it. Perhaps if I did as much shooting of handguns as you do, it’d be much more worth my time to get involved in it and develop that patience. But due to various unrelated circumstances, I just don’t get to the range as often as I used to, and when I do, it’s mostly to shoot rifles. If I need more power from my handguns, I can just pick up one of three different .357 magnum revolvers I own. As it is, my primary use of handguns is carrying them for self-defense. In that capacity, standard 9x19mm is plenty adequate, whether it is loaded to the "emasculated" SAAMI spec, or loaded to the higher performance specs which clearly are of great interest to you.K-Texas wrote:I always enjoy someone trying to build an air of superiority by saying that handloading for handguns is simpler than handloading for rifles. I would submit that anyone who can handload 1 can handload the other.
I like the FNs. Back in 2010 I wanted an FNX in .45 ACP and couldn't find a place to shop and handle one. Bought an XDm .45 ACP instead when they first came out, and because I had experience with XDs, I bought the XDm sight unseen. Great gun in it's own right and now available in 10mm. Tempting.John Galt wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:44 pm The FN 509 Midsize has replaced my Glock 19. The shape of the grip and the grip texture of the 509 Midsize is perfect in my opinion. I do like a grip texture to be akin to a deeply knurled weightlifting bar.
So has SAAMI monkeyed around with chamber dimensions on 10mm the way they have with 9mm? If Ruger ever decides to offer their PCC in 10mm, I’ll run right out and buy a 10mm Glock (remember that the PCC takes Glock magazines, else I’d consider other brands). All the carbine would require to convert to 10mm is a barrel change, a bolt change, and a dead blow weight change for the carrier. Ruger is crazy for not offering caliber conversion kits. They already have a .40 S&W version, and I’d be surprised if a .45 version isn’t offered soon. If they don’t jump on this, I’m sure the aftermarket eventually will.K-Texas wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:54 pmI like the FNs. Back in 2010 I wanted an FNX in .45 ACP and couldn't find a place to shop and handle one. Bought an XDm .45 ACP instead when they first came out, and because I had experience with XDs, I bought the XDm sight unseen. Great gun in it's own right and now available in 10mm. Tempting.John Galt wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:44 pm The FN 509 Midsize has replaced my Glock 19. The shape of the grip and the grip texture of the 509 Midsize is perfect in my opinion. I do like a grip texture to be akin to a deeply knurled weightlifting bar.
I like the FNX 9mm's as well as the striker pistols. If they'd make one with a 5" barrel for range and gun games, I think I could do one!![]()
TAM, I don't know of any change in the 10mm's geometry. If it had been originally designed for the 1911 it might be a smidgen longer but that's about it. And as you know, .45 ACP Max OACL is 1.275" while the .38 Super is 1.280" with the 10mm coming in at 1.260", so the difference isn't much, but it might have been an issue for the pistol it was designed for in the Bren Ten. Lots of feed issues with that one.The Annoyed Man wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:18 pmSo has SAAMI monkeyed around with chamber dimensions on 10mm the way they have with 9mm? If Ruger ever decides to offer their PCC in 10mm, I’ll run right out and buy a 10mm Glock (remember that the PCC takes Glock magazines, else I’d consider other brands). All the carbine would require to convert to 10mm is a barrel change, a bolt change, and a dead blow weight change for the carrier. Ruger is crazy for not offering caliber conversion kits. They already have a .40 S&W version, and I’d be surprised if a .45 version isn’t offered soon. If they don’t jump on this, I’m sure the aftermarket eventually will.K-Texas wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:54 pmI like the FNs. Back in 2010 I wanted an FNX in .45 ACP and couldn't find a place to shop and handle one. Bought an XDm .45 ACP instead when they first came out, and because I had experience with XDs, I bought the XDm sight unseen. Great gun in it's own right and now available in 10mm. Tempting.John Galt wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:44 pm The FN 509 Midsize has replaced my Glock 19. The shape of the grip and the grip texture of the 509 Midsize is perfect in my opinion. I do like a grip texture to be akin to a deeply knurled weightlifting bar.
I like the FNX 9mm's as well as the striker pistols. If they'd make one with a 5" barrel for range and gun games, I think I could do one!![]()
Alternatively, I could buy a .357 magnum lever action to match my revolvers in that caliber. {Sigh} .... so many choices, and so little money.![]()