Houston we got a problem... Live Rd jammed

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Houston we got a problem... Live Rd jammed

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Post by Beiruty » Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:20 am

Gentlemen,

First time I got this issue, hard jammed live round in a RRA AR15-ATH model.
The rifle is almost new has couple hundreds rounds throw it.
We were shooting Factory Ammo and not re-loads.

What are my options?
Can we get it out?
Should I send it back to factory?

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Post by srothstein » Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:32 am

I would make sure the bolt carrier was removed from the upper, then use a dowel rod from the muzzle to knock the round out of the chamber. No danger to it if there is nothing for the primer to hit.
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Post by Beiruty » Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:36 am

srothstein wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:32 am
I would make sure the bolt carrier was removed from the upper, then use a dowel rod from the muzzle to knock the round out of the chamber. No danger to it if there is nothing for the primer to hit.
I had to beat out the bolt carrier group hard to get it out and the case rim was damaged as shown. Never dealt with live round jammed.
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Post by srothstein » Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:42 am

Beiruty wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:36 am
srothstein wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:32 am
I would make sure the bolt carrier was removed from the upper, then use a dowel rod from the muzzle to knock the round out of the chamber. No danger to it if there is nothing for the primer to hit.
I had to beat out the bolt carrier group hard to get it out and the case rim was damaged as shown. Never dealt with live round jammed.
I have never had trouble getting the bolt carrier out, but I have had jammed live rounds before. It dates back to the 70's when I was in the Army and usually caused by a combination of bad ammo and a dirty rifle. We used the dowel method for the round.

I would guess in your case, there is some other damage to the round causing it to jam and the case was damaged by forcing the carrier over it, either chambering or when removing the round. But that is just a guess.
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Post by Beiruty » Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:56 am

srothstein wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:42 am
Beiruty wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:36 am
srothstein wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:32 am
I would make sure the bolt carrier was removed from the upper, then use a dowel rod from the muzzle to knock the round out of the chamber. No danger to it if there is nothing for the primer to hit.
I had to beat out the bolt carrier group hard to get it out and the case rim was damaged as shown. Never dealt with live round jammed.
I have never had trouble getting the bolt carrier out, but I have had jammed live rounds before. It dates back to the 70's when I was in the Army and usually caused by a combination of bad ammo and a dirty rifle. We used the dowel method for the round.

I would guess in your case, there is some other damage to the round causing it to jam and the case was damaged by forcing the carrier over it, either chambering or when removing the round. But that is just a guess.
That is what I am deliberating. Last round shot has a case failure of some type. A piece of the last round case stayed in the chamber. The next round entered the chamber and got jammed hard.
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Post by Beiruty » Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:02 am

Why no one designed a case puller similar to the RCBS stuck case remover from the die. Instead of of screw in the case, one can use a collet type extractor.
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Post by Nuts » Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:20 pm

My neighbor got a defective round jammed in his AR10 2 weeks ago. I used an old aluminum cleaning rod and knocked it out.


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Post by rotor » Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:25 pm

Tap it out with a wooden dowel. Wear safety glasses and don't point either end of the barrel at anyone. Shouldn't be that hard to get out.

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Post by Beiruty » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:58 pm

rotor wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:25 pm
Tap it out with a wooden dowel. Wear safety glasses and don't point either end of the barrel at anyone. Shouldn't be that hard to get out.
I have done that. The bullet was pushed back in the case and I can hear it when I rattle the upper. Wood rod broke. I used a brass cleaning rod and the one of its end was deformed.

I ordered a 3/16" x24" brass rod.
I contacted RRA for Tech Help and possible shipping to the factory for a fix or replacement if the chamber is damaged

It is stuck more than I expected

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Post by rotor » Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:11 pm

Wow. I wonder if spraying down the barrel with some DW40 now that the bullet is free would soak up the case and inactivate the primer enough to drill through the primer and perhaps extract the case. I would think that DW40 would do something to the primer but perhaps a test on a primed case to see if it is enough to deactivate it. I don't see how you would ship it commercially with a live round. This is a dilemma.


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Post by Odiferous » Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:25 pm

Primers are not easy to chemically deactivate, and I certainly wouldn't trust an attempt to do so.

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Post by Beiruty » Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:43 pm

All what I need is bolt head with 360 degrees collet extractor that grabs on the case and outer collet that pushes against the barrel face when a bolt is tightened from the other side of the said bolt head
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Post by kayt00 » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:08 pm

Maybe try grabbing a can of office duster and flip it upside down so that you get the super chilled liquid when you spray it, at the same time try beating the snot out of the cleaning rod to knock it out. Might be able to shrink it enough to knock it out.
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Post by Beiruty » Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:11 pm

kayt00 wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:08 pm
Maybe try grabbing a can of office duster and flip it upside down so that you get the super chilled liquid when you spray it, at the same time try beating the snot out of the cleaning rod to knock it out. Might be able to shrink it enough to knock it out.
I will do that, and I will spray a lot WD-40 and keep it overnight barrel up. Then, I will get the super chilled liquid and cool the cased head before I pound it with the solid brass rod
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Post by Odiferous » Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:15 pm

Might be able to accomplish similar by putting the upper in the freezer for a bit. Dissimilar metals expand differently.

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