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Carrying in Katy after the storm

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Post by G40yes » Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:36 pm

I was glad to be carrying Wednesday night when we returned to Katy. I've had my LTC for a year, carrying when I can, which doesn't include during work unfortunately. We evacuated from Harvey Sunday night while we could, to deal better with some illness challenges. Near home stopped at the gas station to fill up, on 99 near I-10, and got tested in my awareness and response to a sudden "interview".

My wife and kids were in the car. A pickup truck followed me in kind of fast, and stopped on the other side of my pump. I got out, looked around and saw a young man approaching way too fast. I lost interest in getting gas, raised my left hand to signal stop, turned to face him at a better angle, and firmly said "Please don't ask me for anything!" He tried to re-start his panhandle request and I repeated what I said. My right hand was down and ready if needed, but I was still CC because no physical threat occurred and he had stopped. He was only 8 or 10 feet away and I didn't like it, not nearly enough space. He looked at me, paused and then got back in his truck. I looked around, waited a bit, and when I could see him just sitting there and no visible partners, I pumped my gas. He was on the phone. We left soon after and were not followed.

In my former life this would have seemed too much concern over "nothing" but I'm not who I used to be. Because everything de-escalated as it did I didn't call 911, especially with the volume of real emergencies they'd been dealing with all week. He could have had a genuine need for a gas donation but my gut said no. I'm thankful we got home without further trouble.

I'd welcome some feedback from those with more experience than I have, I want to learn from this as much as possible.
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Re: Carrying in Katy after the storm

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Post by Excaliber » Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:46 am

I think you handled that situation just fine.
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Post by RPBrown » Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:50 am

Sounds like a happy ending. You did just fine
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Re: Carrying in Katy after the storm

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Post by thatguyoverthere » Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:20 am

Sounds like a very good encounter to me. Good that you were paying attention; good that you noticed; good action on your part; good outcome - for you and him. What's not to like?

And not that you do, but don't feel guilty in any way. If he truly needed some kind of help, there are literally dozens of organizations and thousands of people who came (and continue to come) to that area for that specific reason right now - to help. It would be easy for him to find some of those folks to get the assistance he needs.

On the other hand, if he was just out to make a quick easy buck, then that was not the time or the place for that. And especially if that's all it was, and especially in that area, right now, the guy should be absolutely ashamed of himself.


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Re: Carrying in Katy after the storm

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Post by G40yes » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:50 am

thatguyoverthere said " It would be easy for him to find some of those folks to get the assistance he needs.
On the other hand, if he was just out to make a quick easy buck, then that was not the time or the place for that. And especially if that's all it was, and especially in that area, right now ..."

Thanks for your reminders and everyone's feedback. I feel good about my actions. I was surprised how smoothly the advice I've read on this forum became my behavior in the moment. This is a great community.
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Post by Gunner4640 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:22 pm

At the same thing happened to me at Gander Mountain parking lot a guy snuck around the backside of my car started to approach I turned around put my hand on cc told him not to take another step. I did not draw my gun nor show it however I had my hand on the grip under my shirt. I posted this a while back on here and literally got chastised for my actions I did nothing wrong nor did I displayed weapon
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Re: Carrying in Katy after the storm

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Post by G40yes » Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:47 pm

Gunner, my thanks to you and many others whose posts helped me get to this point. Hope I'm twice as wise and "ready " after another year or two of further training and study. I'm glad there are as few incidents after Harvey as there have been so far. Stay aware.
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Post by Jusme » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:00 pm

Gunner4640 wrote:At the same thing happened to me at Gander Mountain parking lot a guy snuck around the backside of my car started to approach I turned around put my hand on cc told him not to take another step. I did not draw my gun nor show it however I had my hand on the grip under my shirt. I posted this a while back on here and literally got chastised for my actions I did nothing wrong nor did I displayed weapon

Not sure who chastised you, but you and the OP both demonstrated, in my opinion, the proper procedure when approached by a stranger, in an unfamiliar setting, where, history has shown, people commit robbery, and assault. You both, indicated to the person, to not move any closer, did not, make any threats to escalate the situation, and both walked away unscathed.
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Post by ak145149 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:06 am

What was your immediate cause for concern? Was it the speed in which he approached or something else? Just wondering if your response would have been the same if he approached in a different manner or used verbal skills to get your attention from a distance that wouldn't be considered a threat.

I had a similar situation around the same time at the gas station, guy said he needed 20 bucks for Gas until he got paid. He offered to send it to me and asked for my address and I declined for obvious reason. Ironically, fast forward about 2 months later and i was at starbucks on mason and franz and he recognized me and asked me if i remembered him. Long story short, he thanked me again and covered my wife's and kids drinks.

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Re: Carrying in Katy after the storm

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Post by OldCurlyWolf » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:14 am

ak145149 wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:06 am
What was your immediate cause for concern? Was it the speed in which he approached or something else? Just wondering if your response would have been the same if he approached in a different manner or used verbal skills to get your attention from a distance that wouldn't be considered a threat.

I had a similar situation around the same time at the gas station, guy said he needed 20 bucks for Gas until he got paid. He offered to send it to me and asked for my address and I declined for obvious reason. Ironically, fast forward about 2 months later and i was at starbucks on mason and franz and he recognized me and asked me if i remembered him. Long story short, he thanked me again and covered my wife's and kids drinks.
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Re: Carrying in Katy after the storm

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Post by Abraham » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:17 am

Whatever one decides to give away is their business, that said, my response (I've had it happen in downtown Houston a couple of times) especially when someone has the gall to specify how much they are begging for my response is: "Get away from me...NOW!

That said, with my hand on my gun, leaving it in it's holster, but immediately handy!

Beg and specify how much you as a beggar think is optimum for your needs..? Puh-leeze, get lost.

The other consideration is you have to take your eyes off the guy if you're going to be generous and give the beggar his specified amount. When you have your wallet out, displaying for him what you have on you and giving the beggar easier access to robbing you of your wallet and it's contents.

Help a beggar?

Nope, I'm not obligated and I have no way of knowing if he's interviewing me as potential robbery victim.

Be aware all beggars are potentially criminals and not some down and out, but someone ready to victimize you.

Doing this kind of good deed can severely back fire.

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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:47 pm

I acknowledge that many "beggars" do so to get money for alcohol and/or drugs. I admit also that some are violent due to mental health problems or simply being criminals. Still others are truly in need. I cannot distinguish between them, nor am I sure that I should. I remember the Lord's words in Matthew 25:41-46 and I typically, but not always, give.

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Post by Flightmare » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:51 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:47 pm
I acknowledge that many "beggars" do so to get money for alcohol and/or drugs. I admit also that some are violent due to mental health problems or simply being criminals. Still others are truly in need. I cannot distinguish between them, nor am I sure that I should. I remember the Lord's words in Matthew 25:41-46 and I typically, but not always, give.

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Excellent point. Although I prefer to give them food/water rather than money. Just for my own peace of mind, that I am not helping an addict fuel their addiction. But that is a personal choice of mine.
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Post by OldCurlyWolf » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:00 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:47 pm
I acknowledge that many "beggars" do so to get money for alcohol and/or drugs. I admit also that some are violent due to mental health problems or simply being criminals. Still others are truly in need. I cannot distinguish between them, nor am I sure that I should. I remember the Lord's words in Matthew 25:41-46 and I typically, but not always, give.

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Post by OldCurlyWolf » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:06 pm

Flightmare wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:51 pm
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:47 pm
I acknowledge that many "beggars" do so to get money for alcohol and/or drugs. I admit also that some are violent due to mental health problems or simply being criminals. Still others are truly in need. I cannot distinguish between them, nor am I sure that I should. I remember the Lord's words in Matthew 25:41-46 and I typically, but not always, give.

Chas.
Excellent point. Although I prefer to give them food/water rather than money. Just for my own peace of mind, that I am not helping an addict fuel their addiction. But that is a personal choice of mine.
Just recently I was hit up for money in a parking lot where I was picking up some laundry. Feller said it was for his wife and daughter. There was a Chinese Food Buffet less than 200 feet away. One where I regularly eat. I offered to buy them a meal there and was turned down. End of story.
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