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Post by AndyC » Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:28 am

Makes for great reading - here's one sample:

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Post by TXBO » Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:41 am

As a husband and father of two girls, it's nice to see the increase in women who refuse to be a victim. In 1996, there were no women in my first CHL class. Ten years later, there were 3 out of about 20. Last year, my wife had about half of her class that was women. Last week my daughter had 21 of 30 that were women.

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Post by The Annoyed Man » Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:47 am

TXBO wrote:As a husband and father of two girls, it's nice to see the increase in women who refuse to be a victim. In 1996, there were no women in my first CHL class. Ten years later, there were 3 out of about 20. Last year, my wife had about half of her class that was women. Last week my daughter had 21 of 30 that were women.
I agree.... I've made it a personal "mission field" to convince women to arm themselves, and to educate them in basic handgun safety.
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Post by TXBO » Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:54 am

Given that concealed carry holders have increased from 4.6M to 12.8M and overall violent crime is down 25%, one could argue that Obama has been the most success crime fighter ever in the White House. :bigear:

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Post by SewTexas » Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:02 pm

wow! I can't tell you all of the ways I love this!
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Post by joe817 » Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:06 pm

What an interesting read! Thanks for posting Andy! :tiphat:

As it was only released yesterday, perhaps it will get some well deserved national news coverage.
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Post by TXBO » Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:13 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote:
TXBO wrote:As a husband and father of two girls, it's nice to see the increase in women who refuse to be a victim. In 1996, there were no women in my first CHL class. Ten years later, there were 3 out of about 20. Last year, my wife had about half of her class that was women. Last week my daughter had 21 of 30 that were women.
I agree.... I've made it a personal "mission field" to convince women to arm themselves, and to educate them in basic handgun safety.
I just read further. 26.7% of Texas CHL holders are now women.


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Post by lildave40 » Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:34 pm

:confused5 I see no mention of the Hispanic legal citizens on the chart. I wonder why?

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Post by The Annoyed Man » Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:52 pm

lildave40 wrote::confused5 I see no mention of the Hispanic legal citizens on the chart. I wonder why?
Maybe hispanics are considered white for the purposes of this statistic? Form 4473 asks TWO questions about race/ethnicity: https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download
10.a Ethnicity:
◻︎ Hispanic or Latino
◻︎ Not Hispanic or Latino

10.b Race
◻︎ American Indian or Alaska Native
◻︎ Asian
◻︎ Black or African American
◻︎ Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander
◻︎ White
Thus, it is possible to check "Hispanic or Latino" under Ethnicity, and "White" under Race.
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Post by steveincowtown » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:02 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote:
lildave40 wrote::confused5 I see no mention of the Hispanic legal citizens on the chart. I wonder why?
Maybe hispanics are considered white for the purposes of this statistic? Form 4473 asks TWO questions about race/ethnicity:
To my knowledge, Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. For example I have a friend from Cuba who is black. His race is black and his ethnicity is Hispanic.

When the race/ ethnicity lines really got confusing is when the term "African American" came into play. "African" an an ethnicity, not a race, but for some reason it is accepted.

I have a white friend from Africa, that always checks "African American" when filling out any paperwork. It drives people (especially Government agencies) literally insane. He is however truly an African American.

On the other hand, my SO best friend is from the Islands and get offended when people call her African American. She says (in her Island voice) "I'm not African American, I am Jamaican American"
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Post by anygunanywhere » Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:51 pm

If I am not mistaken, the FBI statistics count Hispanic as white.
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Post by JSThane » Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:35 pm

steveincowtown wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:
lildave40 wrote::confused5 I see no mention of the Hispanic legal citizens on the chart. I wonder why?
Maybe hispanics are considered white for the purposes of this statistic? Form 4473 asks TWO questions about race/ethnicity:
To my knowledge, Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. For example I have a friend from Cuba who is black. His race is black and his ethnicity is Hispanic.

When the race/ ethnicity lines really got confusing is when the term "African American" came into play. "African" an an ethnicity, not a race, but for some reason it is accepted.

I have a white friend from Africa, that always checks "African American" when filling out any paperwork. It drives people (especially Government agencies) literally insane. He is however truly an African American.

On the other hand, my SO best friend is from the Islands and get offended when people call her African American. She says (in her Island voice) "I'm not African American, I am Jamaican American"
I have met exactly two true "African-Americans." Both were from South Africa, originally of Dutch descent, and both were paler and blonder than I am.

As for "race," just as there are many different physical characteristics, "races," of "white" people from different areas, there are many different "races" of black people. Black, white, brown, etc., is not a race, it's an approximation of skin color only, and if it's perfectly acceptable to call me "white," then it should be perfectly acceptable to use the other colors as well.

But it's not race, and never has been.

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Post by John Galt » Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:15 pm

I just read further. 26.7% of Texas CHL holders are now women.[/quote]

That is very good news.

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Post by Crossfire » Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:39 pm

If they use the fingerprint data, the choices for race, in the fingerprint database, are:

White
Black
Asian/Pacific Islander
Native American
Unknown

And, in addition, there is the question: "Ethnicity: Hispanic or Non-Hispanic"?

So, Hispanic is not considered to be a race, but an ethnicity.

Also, we cannot make multiple choices, which sometime leads to interesting conversations with applicants!
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Post by mr surveyor » Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:30 pm

given the limited "choices", why wouldn't those from South of the Rio Grande be more closely identified as Native Americans, rather than just "white" .... by virtue of blood line?

This whole "race thing" needs to just go away.



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