walmart asking for chl

CHL discussions that do not fit into more specific topics

Moderators: Charles L. Cotton, carlson1

Post Reply

Topic author
winters
Banned
Posts in topic: 4
Posts: 325
Joined: Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:14 pm

walmart asking for chl

#1

Post by winters » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:06 am

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... -tote-guns

Since when does walmart have any legal right to even ask to see someones chl even if they have a liquor license? I could care less if they ask me to leave but asking for my chl crosses the line. I own supressors and you would be surprised by the people who think they have some legal right to inspect my paper work.

User avatar

bmwrdr
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 2
Posts: 1083
Joined: Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:05 pm

Re: walmart asking for chl

#2

Post by bmwrdr » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:11 am

They have no right to do so, it takes a law enforcement official.
I scarified political correctness to preserve honesty ︻╦̵̵͇̿̿̿̿══╤─


cyphertext
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 1
Posts: 633
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:31 am

Re: walmart asking for chl

#3

Post by cyphertext » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:13 am

bmwrdr wrote:They have no right to ask for your CHL, it takes a law enforcement official.
They have every right to ask... but you have every right and are not legally bound to show it to them. Of course, you don't show it to them, they give you verbal notice and you must leave.

User avatar

ScottDLS
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 2
Posts: 4682
Joined: Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:04 am
Location: DFW Area, TX

Re: walmart asking for chl

#4

Post by ScottDLS » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:16 am

I guess they could say if you don't show it to them, you have to leave. In my opinion better than posting 30.07. Also another reason why I probably won't OC at WalMart. They don't have any right to "demand" it from you, but you don't have a "right" to be in their store either.
4/13/1996 Completed CHL Class, 4/16/1996 Fingerprints, Affidavits, and Application Mailed, 10/4/1996 Received CHL, renewed 1998, 2002, 2006, 2011, 2016...). "ATF... Uhhh...heh...heh....Alcohol, tobacco, and GUNS!! Cool!!!!"


parabelum
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 10
Posts: 1883
Joined: Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:22 pm

Re: walmart asking for chl

#5

Post by parabelum » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:18 am

Personally, since WM allows OC and CC, in the world of ignorance and paranoia, coupled with the fear of litigation, I don't have problem showing my CHL as proof that I am legal to OC (I presume that it's a moot point for CC) in their store.
Don't take your frustration out on someone who just works for a minimal wage, doing something their Corporate told them to do.
Eat an elephant one bite at the time.
Credendo Vides


Tracker
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 2
Posts: 520
Joined: Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:51 am

Re: walmart asking for chl

#6

Post by Tracker » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:20 am

Give time. It'll blow over there. It may be how they are placating the antis

User avatar

mojo84
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 39
Posts: 9001
Joined: Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:07 pm
Location: Boerne, TX (Kendall County)

Re: walmart asking for chl

#7

Post by mojo84 » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:21 am

I don't understand if one is going to open carry why they would not be willing to confirm they have an LTC of that want to continue to receive the privilege to open carry in private property.
Last edited by mojo84 on Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:29 am, edited 1 time in total.
Note: Me sharing a link and information published by others does not constitute my endorsement, agreement, disagreement, my opinion or publishing by me. If you do not like what is contained at a link I share, take it up with the author or publisher of the content.


JerryK
Member
Posts in topic: 1
Posts: 166
Joined: Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:54 am

Re: walmart asking for chl

#8

Post by JerryK » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:22 am

“The whole time I felt like I was looking over my shoulder,” she said. “To me, I’m lawfully carrying. I should not be stopped for something that I am not doing wrong.”
BUT you are walking into a business that carries a liquor license to protect, and that changes the game. I support this small section of the debate on the law. this will all settle down after a period of time as we become used to it. BUT I also agree we need to fight the MDA as hard as we can. I have personally ordered the Cards from the TSXX and carrying a few of those with me at all times.

User avatar

LSUTiger
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 1
Posts: 1113
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:36 pm

Re: walmart asking for chl

#9

Post by LSUTiger » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:26 am

parabelum wrote:Personally, since WM allows OC and CC, in the world of ignorance and paranoia, coupled with the fear of litigation, I don't have problem showing my CHL as proof that I am legal to OC (I presume that it's a moot point for CC) in their store.
Don't take your frustration out on someone who just works for a minimal wage, doing something their Corporate told them to do.
Eat an elephant one bite at the time.

:iagree:

By my OCing I'm telling the world I am licensed. I'll show my license if they don't ask me to leave. Better than 30.07 or them making MWAG calls and police showing up, so I'll return the courtesy if asked to show license.

Not a huge deal for me, now if they demand to take down info or copy my license then I will just leave. They are not the police and have no legal authority to do that.
Last edited by LSUTiger on Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:33 am, edited 1 time in total.
Chance favors the prepared. Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.
There is no safety in denial. When seconds count the Police are only minutes away.
Sometimes I really wish a lawyer would chime in and clear things up. Do we have any lawyers on this forum?


parabelum
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 10
Posts: 1883
Joined: Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:22 pm

Re: walmart asking for chl

#10

Post by parabelum » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:27 am

If I saw someone walking on my property in civilian clothes sporting a carry rig and he/she told me that they are LE, and if I saw no insignia/ID on their person to confirm that, you better believe that I'd ask to see their LE ID. Otherwise, I'm going to be a very very upset property owner, to say the least.

Not sure if that analogy makes sense, but it does to me.
Credendo Vides


rentz
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 1
Posts: 788
Joined: Sat May 07, 2011 9:16 am
Location: DFW

Re: walmart asking for chl

#11

Post by rentz » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:36 am

i understand why they are asking employees to do this in stores that sell alcohol....BUT they should be leaving this to law enforcement not asking employees to approach openly armed citizens.

either way i don't know why there is anyone taking offense, you're openly carrying be prepared to be asked but it doesnt mean you legally have to answer unless its an LEO...but they also have the right to ask you to leave

User avatar

The Annoyed Man
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 1
Posts: 25411
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:59 pm
Location: North Richland Hills, Texas
Contact:

Re: walmart asking for chl

#12

Post by The Annoyed Man » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:39 am

ScottDLS wrote:I guess they could say if you don't show it to them, you have to leave. In my opinion better than posting 30.07. Also another reason why I probably won't OC at WalMart. They don't have any right to "demand" it from you, but you don't have a "right" to be in their store either.
Yep. And if you don't want to be asked, you can always cover it up. NOT that big a deal if buying the alcohol means that much to you.

It's just another example of having to make choices. Choices are a fact of life.
Give me Liberty, or I'll get up and get it myself.—Hookalakah Meshobbab
I don't carry because of the odds, I carry because of the stakes.—The Annoyed Boy
My dream is to have lived my life so well that future generations of leftists will demand my name be removed from buildings.


Topic author
winters
Banned
Posts in topic: 4
Posts: 325
Joined: Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:14 pm

Re: walmart asking for chl

#13

Post by winters » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:45 am

So the police should pull every car over every day to make sure you have a drivers license? It just makes it look like someone who is open carrying is automatically doing something illegal.

Did I say anywhere that I have some right to be in their store? It was ment as a conversation starter.

Its not about that I have any right to be in there store its the fact they are telling the public they think they have some legal right to even ask.

I guess they are willing to accept the liability of one of their employees walking up to someone illegally carrying and possibly get shot over it. Not something I would do.
Last edited by winters on Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:54 am, edited 6 times in total.


Abraham
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 11
Posts: 8399
Joined: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:43 am

Re: walmart asking for chl

#14

Post by Abraham » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:45 am

While I wish they wouldn't, they have every right to ask to see your LTC as it's their store.

No want to show LTC?

Skedaddle, hit the bricks, adios, buh-bye.

You say you won't do any further business with Walmart?

Guess what?

They don't care.


Abraham
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 11
Posts: 8399
Joined: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:43 am

Re: walmart asking for chl

#15

Post by Abraham » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:46 am

Or, get over yourself and proudly show them your LTC!

Post Reply

Return to “General Texas CHL Discussion”