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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

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Post by stroo » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:48 pm

Way back in this thread I said that this was a situation where a gansta wanna be met with a cop wanna be leading inevitably to the death of one of them. I haven't seen anything to disabuse me of that belief.


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Post by fishman » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:56 pm

stroo wrote:Way back in this thread I said that this was a situation where a gansta wanna be met with a cop wanna be leading inevitably to the death of one of them. I haven't seen anything to disabuse me of that belief.
I think thats a pretty good analogy.Too bad it ended that way, but it doesn't surprise me.
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

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Post by Heartland Patriot » Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:09 pm

WildBill wrote:
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The Mad Moderate wrote:I think the "hero complex" explains a lot of this.
Totally agree on the hero complex.
Of course, it's not against the law to have a hero complex. Whether or not his actions were legally justified still needs to be adjudicated.
Seems like its been made illegal to have a "hero complex" in some peoples' minds. However, being a "gangsta" is quite alright. Remember, its only ANTI-heros that are "cool" these days...our society has been damaged far beyond the capacity of most to comprehend even how much. I'm not saying I can see all the damage either...I just realize that damage has been done. :mad: :cry:
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

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Post by baldeagle » Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:50 pm

I just posted a timeline of the shooting. I matched up witness statements with George Zimmerman's statements. There were no witnesses that contradicted Zimmerman and many that corroborate various parts of his story. Witnesses confirm where the fight started, various events during the struggle (such as George trying to escape from underneath Trayvon), etc., etc.

http://txantimedia.com/2012/07/13/the-t ... -timeline/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UPDATE: I have since extensively edited the timeline, adding much more witness testimony including from the documents released on 5/15/2012, and included a front page that explains the schema and my reasoning.
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

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Post by WildBill » Sat Jul 14, 2012 8:46 am

Heartland Patriot wrote:
WildBill wrote:
BKRushing wrote:
The Mad Moderate wrote:I think the "hero complex" explains a lot of this.
Totally agree on the hero complex.
Of course, it's not against the law to have a hero complex. Whether or not his actions were legally justified still needs to be adjudicated.
Seems like its been made illegal to have a "hero complex" in some peoples' minds. However, being a "gangsta" is quite alright. Remember, its only ANTI-heros that are "cool" these days...our society has been damaged far beyond the capacity of most to comprehend even how much. I'm not saying I can see all the damage either...I just realize that damage has been done. :mad: :cry:
I wonder if any of the FBI agents had a hero complex and that's why they joined the bureau? :shock:
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

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Post by Panzer Possum » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:55 am

stroo wrote:Way back in this thread I said that this was a situation where a gansta wanna be met with a cop wanna be leading inevitably to the death of one of them. I haven't seen anything to disabuse me of that belief.
In a violent confrontation between a cop and a gangsta, I'm rooting for the cop. I'm not ashamed of that.


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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

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Post by BKRushing » Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:07 pm

Heartland Patriot wrote:
WildBill wrote:
BKRushing wrote:
The Mad Moderate wrote:I think the "hero complex" explains a lot of this.
Totally agree on the hero complex.
Of course, it's not against the law to have a hero complex. Whether or not his actions were legally justified still needs to be adjudicated.
Seems like its been made illegal to have a "hero complex" in some peoples' minds. However, being a "gangsta" is quite alright. Remember, its only ANTI-heros that are "cool" these days...our society has been damaged far beyond the capacity of most to comprehend even how much. I'm not saying I can see all the damage either...I just realize that damage has been done. :mad: :cry:
Big difference between a hero complex and a hero. Zimmerman was playing cop without the training an LEO has and made poor choices with a tragic outcome. Just as Trayvon Martin made some poor choices that night as well by going back outside after making it home safely.

And I agree with you, this gangsta crap is just that....crap.
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Re: 17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

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Post by psijac » Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:07 am

BKRushing wrote:
Big difference between a hero complex and a hero. Zimmerman was playing cop without the training an LEO has and made poor choices with a tragic outcome.

I am no law enforcement office but what kind of cop training would have prevented this tragedy?
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Post by Dave2 » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:16 pm

psijac wrote:
BKRushing wrote:
Big difference between a hero complex and a hero. Zimmerman was playing cop without the training an LEO has and made poor choices with a tragic outcome.

I am no law enforcement office but what kind of cop training would have prevented this tragedy?
I'm not sure how much of a difference the training by itself would've made, but Zimmerman having a badge probably would've put Martin in a different frame of mind. And even if it didn't, since, at least on TV, cops always have a partner with them, Martin probably wouldn't have been able to get Zimmerman on the ground.
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Post by recaffeination » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:49 pm

I missed the part where Zimmerman tried to handcuff or arrest Martin. Can someone point that out?

The stories I read said he saw someone who didn't live in the neighborhood and fit the desription of recent burglary suspects in the neighborhood. Was it a tactical mistake to get out of his vehicle to see better? In hindsight, yes. The same could be said about a mugging victim who wore expensve jewelry or a rape victim who wore sexy clothng.
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Post by ScooterSissy » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:54 pm

recaffeination wrote:I missed the part where Zimmerman tried to handcuff or arrest Martin. Can someone point that out?
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Of course they can't - the whole "wannabe cop" and "hero complex" stuff is simply misdirection. Keep in mind, many LEOs and even non-carrying citizens think all CHL/CCL folks are wannabe cops, hero-complexed, paranoid, or some other pre-determined label simply because they carry a gun.


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Post by philip964 » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:15 pm

News flash!!! Zimmerman is alleged to have molested over a ten year period a female family relative.
Woman came forward to prosecutors, and prosecutors released audio tapes of interview, so Zimmerman could get a fair trial.

Started when she was six years old. He was 8 at the time.


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Post by RottenApple » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:28 pm

philip964 wrote:News flash!!! Zimmerman is alleged to have molested over a ten year period a female family relative.
Woman came forward to prosecutors, and prosecutors released audio tapes of interview, so Zimmerman could get a fair trial.

Started when she was six years old. He was 8 at the time.
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Post by barstoolguru » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:35 pm

George Zimmerman Family Friend Says He Molested Her For More Than A Decade
A woman with close ties to George Zimmerman and his family told investigators that members of Zimmerman’s family were boastfully proud racists and that for more than a decade Zimmerman sexually molested her.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/1 ... 76729.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Zimmerman’s defense attorney, Mark O’Mara, has argued that witness 9’s statements should not be released and that because her testimony would not be introduced at trial, it was irrelevant. Some of the racial implications made by the witness, he said, could likely cause “widespread hostile publicity.”
that is what they wants, to wreck his credibility
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Post by 74novaman » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:40 pm

barstoolguru wrote:George Zimmerman Family Friend Says He Molested Her For More Than A Decade
A woman with close ties to George Zimmerman and his family told investigators that members of Zimmerman’s family were boastfully proud racists and that for more than a decade Zimmerman sexually molested her.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/1 ... 76729.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Interestingly enough the FBI investigation concluded he had no racist ties. I guess we'll throw all that out the window based on one persons accusations though. :lol:
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