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New Jersey Active Shooter-One Cop shot in head

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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:19 pm

Hapening now... still active



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Post by AndyC » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:09 pm

Boy, I hope the shooters aren't using hollow-point ammo - that would be illegal...
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Post by philip964 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:03 pm

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... kdown.html

More.

2 males and female shooters with rifles.

Started in a cemetery, then moved to a bodega. Apparently 1 man all in black escaped from there.

Arrived towing a Uhaul.

Guns are illegal in New Jersey.

RIP officer. My sincere condolences to his family and friends.

I do not understand people and why they do the things they do.

It could be that the captured and injured male and female were victims and the BG escaped. I’m speculating as why would only one man be dressed in black, if they were a team.


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Post by philip964 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:33 pm

They are now saying six dead.


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Post by Rob72 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:43 pm

Why is ATF responding?

3 people with rifles is not the usual Happy Gilmore event.

Wonder what's in the Uhaul...

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Post by Scott B. » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:56 pm

Rob72 wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:43 pm
Why is ATF responding?
Might be a joint task force thing. There's a lot more of that than folks realize. Can jump start tracing the firearms. Might have an interest or relation to a case they're working. There could be other play toys on hand they want to look at. Assistance comes from many sources with high profile events.
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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:54 pm

The two shot suspects were juveniles? What the heck people? It sounds a bit like they were re-enacting a video game.


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Post by LDP » Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:59 pm

All ducks in a row quacking down the stream, just waiting to be mowed down by a single burst of one of the evil evil Assault Rifle models 15. (aka AR-15)
NJ has one of the stupidest .. ahem ... strictest gun laws in the country. How did these innocent people get to these evil evil guns that turned magically them into blood-thirsty criminals? Maybe some 2A supporter smuggled them into NJ from a friendly state, like DE to the south, PA to the west or ME to the northeast. Let's blame it all on 2A supporters, that's the norm nowadays. *shrug*

R.I.P., innocent victims and LEO heroes.


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Post by LDP » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:00 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:54 pm
The two shot suspects were juveniles?
Any word on identities?

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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:02 pm

LDP wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:00 pm
03Lightningrocks wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:54 pm
The two shot suspects were juveniles?
Any word on identities?
Not yet. I read the juvenile part on the page from the link phillip posted above. That page has several updates on it.
after juvenile male and female shooter duo armed with long guns and 'a U-Haul full of pipe bombs' launch two-hour shootout against SWAT team,


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Post by philip964 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:14 pm

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... kdown.html

Man all over the place.

No female.

Two males both dead.

One police officer dead

Three innocent bystanders in the market they holed up in dead.

Police office murdered was part of a gun task force to get guns off the street.

Sounds like a meetup in a cemetery went bad.

They then hijacked a uhaul to escape.

Ended up at a small Kosher store.

Then the shoot out started with the police.

Was this all to get a couple of rifles off the street?

Imagine trying to get 400 million guns off the street.

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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:08 pm

philip964 wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:14 pm
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... kdown.html

Man all over the place.

No female.

Two males both dead.

One police officer dead

Three innocent bystanders in the market they holed up in dead.

Police office murdered was part of a gun task force to get guns off the street.

Sounds like a meetup in a cemetery went bad.

They then hijacked a uhaul to escape.

Ended up at a small Kosher store.

Then the shoot out started with the police.

Was this all to get a couple of rifles off the street?

Imagine trying to get 400 million guns off the street.
Nice summation. The whole darned story, at this point, is more convoluted than fathers day in a chicken coup.

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Post by Oldgringo » Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:48 pm

Aren't guns illegal in jersey?


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Post by philip964 » Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:16 pm

“It began at roughly 12:30 p.m. at the Bay View cemetery at Garfield Avenue. The suspects were spotted at the cemetery in a stolen rental van. Kelly said he believes Det. Joseph Seals – who was part of the unit responsible for removing guns from the street – was attempting to interdict weapons in the van when he approached the suspects, and they opened fire.”

One news agency said drugs, not an attempt to seize guns.


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Post by Rob72 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:07 am

Seals was reportedly following up on a homicide investigation when he approached the two suspects in the cemetery.
Okay...
After shooting Seals, the two suspects fled the scene in what police describe as a stolen U-Haul truck.

Chief Kelly said that authorities are investigating a possible 'incendiary device' found in the stolen truck, but earlier reports that the vehicle was filled with pipe bombs could not be immediately confirmed by DailyMail.com.
So a detective whose primary duties are weapons interdiction "incidentally" encounters some highly motivated, armed juveniles, who are also in possession of at least one IED, and possibly a bundle of them. Oh, they stole the truck, which also incidentally had one or more IEDs inside, it wasn't one in which the perpetrators arrived.

Of course, if Det. Seals was part of a sting, and arrived with the truck containing one or more IEDs, it would indeed be "stolen", once the perps jumped in, after shooting him. That would look really bad for the ATF and Jersey PD. Not actually stopping an event, but truly initiating one.

Such things are always chaotic, but the Chief's statement about the unspecified homicide investigation, and the coincidental interaction had by Det. Seals really smells of CYA.

Of course, and possibly worse, if Seals was following up a prior homicide relating to the theft of the truck and, for Jersey, heavily armed juveniles, and this was a JTF operation, there is awareness of a movement of highly motivated, highly destructive, young people, whose aims are not consistent with gang activity, and more in line with the Weathermen or an offshoot of the John Browns.

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