Southwest Border Violence Reduction Act of 2009

[waterpump1]

I doubt if such puny efforts would be all that effective. the Koreans and East Berliners used much more substantial fences and defenses to protect their borders. With Machine guns and land mines to support the military forces. Yet they still managed to escape. Keeping out people motivated by political and economic freedom isn't such an easy tasks. The Berliners and North Koreans have shown us that they are willing to put themselves at extreme risks to escape oppression. I don't believe we as a nation really have the stomach to do what it takes to keep them out. Fences without the hardware and manpower won't work. Never has never will. I know if I were born in the country side and lived in that type of poverty that I would do what it takes to improve my family's living conditions.

Yes, but were not trying to stop 100% of everyone moving sides for political reasons, were looking to stop a large amount. When you don't set your expectations at 100% it's much easier to obtain. You just have to make crossing more and more expensive and troublesome and less people will be able to come over.

[flintknapper]

"Drug violence in Mexico is taking a terrible human toll," said Bingaman. "But it's also having an impact on the economies of border communities in terms of reduced trade, bilateral business ventures and tourism.

"The sooner we enact our common sense legislation to reduce the violence, the better," he said.

Where have we heard these words before?


Besides....I have found "common sense" and the government (anyone's) to be mutually exclusive for the most part.

[Liberty]

Yes, but were not trying to stop 100% of everyone moving sides for political reasons, were looking to stop a large amount. When you don't set your expectations at 100% it's much easier to obtain. You just have to make crossing more and more expensive and troublesome and less people will be able to come over.

Perhaps, but if its worth doing,Its worth doing right.
Personally I am not convinced its worth doing at all. I'd rather have less government stealing from me and more cheap labor to help me rebuild my house.

[NuBer92]

You see if they legalize it, then all these fat cats wont have their funding for the "war on drugs". you know the ones that are really running the drug game is the DEA and the CIA. why do you think they wanted Pablo and Manuel off the streets, so all that untraceable cash can be siphoned right back in to the "black fund". i wonder how many innocent die in the name of justice.
Some of these people are just the farmers who were overtaken or threatened by the gangs to grow and produce for them. Im sure they want to provide for their kids.

Fences dont work, because who is going to build it in the desert, not an American thats for sure. Where else would we get cheap labor, no taxes,? We all know that our neighbors to the south are the ones doing the grunt work. Who is changing your oil, washing your car, cutting your lawn, or even cooking your meals??
Think about it before you condemm.

[WildBill]

We don't need more stinkin' laws. There is just a lack of will on the government's part to control our borders. The only people that would benefit from building a fence along the border is Kellogg Brown & Root, and/or Halliburton Corporation.

[nuparadigm]

We don't need more stinkin' laws. There is just a lack of will on the government's part to control our borders. The only people that would benefit from building a fence along the border is Kellogg Brown & Root, and/or Halliburton Corporation.

Most Border Patrol Agents (along with this retired one) would agree with the above.

[flintknapper]

Fences dont work, because who is going to build it in the desert, not an American thats for sure. Where else would we get cheap labor, no taxes,? We all know that our neighbors to the south are the ones doing the grunt work. Who is changing your oil, washing your car, cutting your lawn, or even cooking your meals??
Think about it before you condemm.

That would be ME!

I also do the maintenance on our vehicles, repair them, fix things around the house, and generally try to be self sufficient. A large portion of America should "try it sometime".

[boomerang]

I bet there would be no shortage of labor if we cut back on the government checks and bailouts and other socialist waste.

[magicglock]

I do not have much faith in a fence controlling the border. Seems to me that money would be better spent enforcing existing laws that would provide the US with more social gain. To say that we benefit from imigrants providing cheep labor and asking who in the US would do the "dirty" work if we crack down on immigration is a fool's argument. How cheep is the labor after you consider the other social burdens of this influx of people that do NOT pay taxes, do NOT pay for medical care provided by our hospitals, drain the wellfare system, and continue to give birth to children who instantly become US citizens? Citizens who most likely will continue the family traditions of not paying social dues and not supporting the local economy because the majority of money earned is "wired" back to Mexico.

Just imagine the number of jobs that would be created for legitimate citizens if the penalties for employing illegal aliens were increased and enforced. How about a zero tolerance policy on drugs in the US? How about zero tolerance policies for illegal immigrants? How about zero tolerance for violent crime? Now I know that may not be a realistic view as many will point out that our justice system could not handle the volume or enforce. And I know you may bring up a point about over crowding in jails and the tax burden of inmates. Put them in tent cities, work the chain gangs, and learn what PAY YOUR DEBT to society means. Of course swift justice and death penalties work for me too.

At what point do we (The US) decide to put US citizens first and then take care of the world's needy? Sorry about the gun problem Mexico, maybe you should have contributed to controlling the border sooner! Stop the drug traffic, keep your citizens inside your country and we will gladly help control gun traffic.

Just an opinion

[Grammy]

I do not have much faith in a fence controlling the border. Seems to me that money would be better spent enforcing existing laws that would provide the US with more social gain. To say that we benefit from imigrants providing cheep labor and asking who in the US would do the "dirty" work if we crack down on immigration is a fool's argument. How cheep is the labor after you consider the other social burdens of this influx of people that do NOT pay taxes, do NOT pay for medical care provided by our hospitals, drain the wellfare system, and continue to give birth to children who instantly become US citizens? Citizens who most likely will continue the family traditions of not paying social dues and not supporting the local economy because the majority of money earned is "wired" back to Mexico.

Just imagine the number of jobs that would be created for legitimate citizens if the penalties for employing illegal aliens were increased and enforced. How about a zero tolerance policy on drugs in the US? How about zero tolerance policies for illegal immigrants? How about zero tolerance for violent crime? Now I know that may not be a realistic view as many will point out that our justice system could not handle the volume or enforce. And I know you may bring up a point about over crowding in jails and the tax burden of inmates. Put them in tent cities, work the chain gangs, and learn what PAY YOUR DEBT to society means. Of course swift justice and death penalties work for me too.

At what point do we (The US) decide to put US citizens first and then take care of the world's needy? Sorry about the gun problem Mexico, maybe you should have contributed to controlling the border sooner! Stop the drug traffic, keep your citizens inside your country and we will gladly help control gun traffic.

Just an opinion

Could not have said it any better!