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Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:29 pm
by mr1337
Robert91RS wrote:v7a wrote:It's blatantly dishonest to claim that police cannot ask. Police can ask whatever they want. They can try to engage in conversation with a potential suspect. Just because Open Carriers aren't obligated to display the license doesn't mean police cannot engage in different ways (including small talk).
EXACTLY!!
If an officer chose to politely strike up a conversation the majority of License holders would not refuse to answer any reasonable questions.
I'm okay with this as long as the LEO makes it certain to the person that they are not being detained and they are free to go at any time without showing their license.
What I have a problem with is LEO lying in order to get compliance of people giving up their rights.
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:29 pm
by CoffeeNut
"Unregulated and unenforceable open carry" so since a cop cannot stop me to see if I have car insurance I assume that is unregulated driving? Oh wait they can stop you for other reasons and require proof that way. Weird how in their own little world there are no other paths.
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:30 pm
by Jasonw560
Need to get my boots. The bull is piling up.
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:30 pm
by Taypo
Robert91RS wrote:v7a wrote:It's blatantly dishonest to claim that police cannot ask. Police can ask whatever they want. They can try to engage in conversation with a potential suspect. Just because Open Carriers aren't obligated to display the license doesn't mean police cannot engage in different ways (including small talk).
EXACTLY!!
If an officer chose to politely strike up a conversation the majority of License holders would not refuse to answer any reasonable questions.
There are a fair number of people in this forum that will probably disagree with you there.
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:31 pm
by Tracker
huh. you can walk up and down your own property open carrying without a license right now.
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:32 pm
by twomillenium
This is just an attempt to delay and hopefully kill HB910.
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:32 pm
by Taypo
Tracker wrote:huh. you can walk up and down your own property open carrying without a license right now.
If I understand the law, as long as nobody in a public area can see the weapon, you're correct.
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:32 pm
by NotRPB
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:33 pm
by Jasonw560
"Sticky" about to speak.
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:33 pm
by Tracker
oh gawd, stickland.....just be quite.
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:33 pm
by viking1000
mr1337 wrote:Robert91RS wrote:v7a wrote:It's blatantly dishonest to claim that police cannot ask. Police can ask whatever they want. They can try to engage in conversation with a potential suspect. Just because Open Carriers aren't obligated to display the license doesn't mean police cannot engage in different ways (including small talk).
EXACTLY!!
If an officer chose to politely strike up a conversation the majority of License holders would not refuse to answer any reasonable questions.
I'm okay with this as long as the LEO makes it certain to the person that they are not being detained and they are free to go at any time without showing their license.
You are correct !
What I have a problem with is LEO lying in order to get compliance of people giving up their rights.
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:35 pm
by The Annoyed Man
THIS is exactly how Huffines dynamited the bill.
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:35 pm
by CoffeeNut
Here we go!
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:36 pm
by twomillenium
This bill is going to conference.
Re: SB11 & HB910 This week....
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:37 pm
by extremist
Taypo wrote:Tracker wrote:huh. you can walk up and down your own property open carrying without a license right now.
If I understand the law, as long as nobody in a public area can see the weapon, you're correct.
That is incorrect.
Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person
is not:
(1) on the person's own premises or premises under the person's control; or
PERIOD. It doesn't say if Nancy Worrywort sees it and calls the police.
James
