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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:51 am
by WheySmart
Stupid wrote:Please don't educate me the "castle doctrine", I know that. Surprisingly, I am not THAT stupid, yet, nor am I saying that you have no right to defend yourself/loved ones etc. We have the right and we have the laws on our side too - how often is that!!
All I am saying is, it's not our duty to catch bad guys or clean the street. Some of you may feel that way, and certainly, I feel that way, but the laws are NOT on our side this time. It is our duty to survive and to protect our loved one by means of defense ONLY IF necessory.
Having said that, for those who don't understand what "defense" is, going to investigation mode with a gun and flashlight is NOT something a sane man would call "defense", right? Yes, it's your home and you are allowed by law to do whatever, BUT, would you rather choose to face the deadly confrontation or would you do all you can to avoid it?
Some many of you, maybe take a look at 2 books: "In the gravest extreme" and "Strong on defense", then we can probalby have some reasoning put into perspective.
BTW: get night vision, not flash light.
Yes I call it defense, I am DEFENDing my home.
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:49 am
by flintknapper
WheySmart wrote:Stupid wrote:Please don't educate me the "castle doctrine", I know that. Surprisingly, I am not THAT stupid, yet, nor am I saying that you have no right to defend yourself/loved ones etc. We have the right and we have the laws on our side too - how often is that!!
All I am saying is, it's not our duty to catch bad guys or clean the street. Some of you may feel that way, and certainly, I feel that way, but the laws are NOT on our side this time. It is our duty to survive and to protect our loved one by means of defense ONLY IF necessary.
Having said that, for those who don't understand what "defense" is, going to investigation mode with a gun and flashlight is NOT something a sane man would call "defense", right? Yes, it's your home and you are allowed by law to do whatever, BUT, would you rather choose to face the deadly confrontation or would you do all you can to avoid it?
Some many of you, maybe take a look at 2 books: "In the gravest extreme" and "Strong on defense", then we can probalby have some reasoning put into perspective.
BTW: get night vision, not flash light.
Yes I call it defense, I am DEFENDing my home. My idea is that if you have the option to shoot a bad guy,
shoot to kill then shoot some more to make sure.
Get that useless piece of criminal garbage 6 feet under as fast as possible.
Sir,
FWIW, may I suggest you only shoot when necessary, only as much as necessary (to stop the threat), and then.. call LE and an Ambulance when you feel comfortable things are under control. I understand your position about defending your home, but to propose shooting someone with "zeal" does not help gun owners in any way IMO.
Too, I would be careful what I posted on the internet...as this might come back to "bite you" were you ever so unfortunate as to be involved in a shooting.
Just my .02
Flint.
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:00 am
by Liberty
WheySmart wrote:
Yes I call it defense, I am DEFENDing my home.
If you are in a defense mode your goal if you shoot is to STOP the goblin. Shooting anyone with the intent to kill, could result in you being the "badguy" If the bad guy stops doing the bad things, and stops being a danger there is no longer a reason to make more holes into the bad guy. Capping a a BG after he has dropped his weapon laying face down with a pool of blood comming from his chest would make you a murderer.
Edited Quote.
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:41 am
by Charles L. Cotton
flintknapper wrote:Too, I would be careful what I posted on the internet...as this might come back to "bite you" were you ever so unfortunate as to be involved in a shooting.
Just my .02
Flint.
Extremely good advice!
Chas.
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:48 am
by kauboy
WheySmart, I think your age is getting the best of you. At 14 you have an idealistic view about how the world works. I would suggest you try to learn as much as possible from the older folks here who have dealt with situations like this. Their advice can be of tremendous help later down the line. The hardest thing for men, young and old alike, is for them to put aside their pride and accept that they must still be willing to learn. Your energy is good, and I'm glad to see someone from the younger generation taking an interest in the topics discussed here. But, be careful in your decisions. Hot-headedness can lead you into a very bad legal situation if such events ever came about.
BTW, welcome to the forums!
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:21 pm
by WheySmart
Which is exactly why I went back and revised....
What I mean is a will just shoot several shots before I even look at what the first one did so that if I miss I have insurance and if I hit but only nicked the bad guy the second shot will proably either demoralize him enough as to stop or demobilize him. I am not talking about seeing how many holes I can make before the cops arrive, not at all.
As for my description of criminals in general, ya, the language was on the rough side...If a criminal dies trying to do harm to someone I don't have sympathy for them, my feeling is that if they don't want to get shot, they should not break into houses for a living.
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:35 pm
by longtooth
Much better post young man.
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:54 pm
by kauboy
longtooth wrote:Much better post young man.
Indeed, much better.
Multiple shots is not only a good thing, its encouraged. You don't want to fall prey to the "two shots, evaluate, fire more if necessary" crowd. That evaluation time could be all thats needed for the BG to fire back. Fire until it is no longer necessary. This should be obvious even while looking through the sights.
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:33 pm
by Charles L. Cotton
WheySmart wrote:What I mean is a will just shoot several shots before I even look at what the first one did so that if I miss I have insurance and if I hit but only nicked the bad guy the second shot will proably either demoralize him enough as to stop or demobilize him.
This is what DPS teaches CHL Instructors.
When someone is trying to kill you, you shoot to stop and you continue shooting until the threat no longer exists. Rarely will this be after the first shot.
Welcome to the forums. I'm glad to see more young folks getting involved. I think most of us grew up with at least some misconceptions and misinformation about self-defense, much of which was caused by Hollywood. You will find a lot of people here with a wealth of knowledge and experience and who are dedicated to helping others avoid some of our mistakes. I can assure you, "trial by fire" isn't all it's cracked up to be. I'd rather sit at the side of a wise man and listen any day. I especially appreciate the fact that you reevaluated your earlier posts and edited them. I've had to do the same thing a few times and I know it's not often fun.
Chas.
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:28 pm
by gigag04
I just now got caught up on the last few pages. I really appreciated hearing from those with experience, either LE, or otherwise, clearing and whatnot.
Ironically, last night, there was a loud crash about 10 min after I got in bed, it was just after midnight. I am an extended houseguest with two of my friends, a married couple. They were sound asleep, and I was close. I got outta bed, with my USPC, and began to check things out.
It ended up being a random picture falling off the wall, but I sure was glad that I went to find out and removed all doubt.
Incedentally, they were freaked out too, it woke the whole house up. Glad I was easily and closely armed.
-nick
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:33 pm
by flintknapper
WheySmart wrote:Which is exactly why I went back and revised....
What I mean is a will just shoot several shots before I even look at what the first one did so that if I miss I have insurance and if I hit but only nicked the bad guy the second shot will proably either demoralize him enough as to stop or demobilize him. I am not talking about seeing how many holes I can make before the cops arrive, not at all.
As for my description of criminals in general, ya, the language was on the rough side...If a criminal dies trying to do harm to someone I don't have sympathy for them, my feeling is that if they don't want to get shot, they should not break into houses for a living.
Now we're talkin'.
Good job young man.
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:21 pm
by KD5NRH
WheySmart wrote:KD5NRH wrote:Well, I once chased off a maintenance guy with a battleaxe while naked.
If you're going to interrupt my shower, you'd better identify yourself loudly.
Wow, Isnt that a lovely thought. Do you keep a battle axe in your bathroom?
At the time I couldn't afford an 870 Marine Magnum, but I defiinitely realized the bathroom is the worst place to be when something goes wrong.
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:27 pm
by Roger Howard
flintknapper wrote:WheySmart wrote:Which is exactly why I went back and revised....
What I mean is a will just shoot several shots before I even look at what the first one did so that if I miss I have insurance and if I hit but only nicked the bad guy the second shot will proably either demoralize him enough as to stop or demobilize him. I am not talking about seeing how many holes I can make before the cops arrive, not at all.
As for my description of criminals in general, ya, the language was on the rough side...If a criminal dies trying to do harm to someone I don't have sympathy for them, my feeling is that if they don't want to get shot, they should not break into houses for a living.
Now we're talkin'.
Good job young man.
+1
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:04 pm
by Skiprr
KD5NRH wrote:At the time I couldn't afford an 870 Marine Magnum, but I defiinitely realized the bathroom is the worst place to be when something goes wrong.
And he still keeps the battle axe hanging over the shower head, just in case. It's tough keeping the rust under control, though.
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:13 pm
by sparx
Skiprr wrote:And he still keeps the battle axe hanging over the shower head, just in case. It's tough keeping the rust under control, though.
Cosmoline.
