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texanron wrote:Crokett Keller Radio Interview
The interview was conducted yesterday.
KTRH in Houston picked it up too?

The guy sure got a ton of free advertising for his small price paid at a tiny local radio station.

Got "hundreds" of requests to take his class.

Hundreds of students... Only intended to teach 4 or 5 studentsthat week, but the next week he could teach 500 or so...

He has never turned away any potential student, but he sure wrote an ad that went viral at no extra cost to him .... Maximized return on investment -advertising expense .... which is the goal of marketing; effective advertising


Interesting interview, thanks for that link
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johnson0317 wrote:
wharvey wrote:This entire thread has been interesting to say the least. I've often thought the world would be better off if religion hand never been invented, and in spite of what many zeolites would say about that statement, religion is a man invented concept.
No kidding? Unfortunately, you are right in that God was not trying to create a religion, but an earth full of people that would worship Him. Religion has mucked that up for many people.

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You are right about God not trying to create religion, the problem is which God. Not really trying to be flippant, but each religion would seem to worship a different god and unfortunately can, and often do, get down right violent in support of their concept of God. The thinking is not that, if you don't believe the way I do then I feel sorry for your soul, it often is if you don't see the light you are inferior and I'm going to kill you.

To further complicate matters, religious boundaries are often tied to race. Christianity seems to cover more races than most other religions. That is a blanket statement that has exceptions but overall I think that is the situation. I've even heard some Christians argue that Catholics are not christian. I could be wrong but I always thought they were.

The other problem I have is the arguments are based on emotion and not thoughtful logic. People with different religious views discuss issues just like people with different views on gun control discuss gun control laws. Each is correct, in their own minds. At least few gun discussions result in wars.
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Unfortunately for him, this may be his LAST class before DPS pulls his certificate.

So, rent the local convention center and go out with a big bang!
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pbwalker wrote:the biggest problem is that people go looking for God, but find religion instead.
:iagree:

I would much rather go out and enjoy God's creation than sit and have someone tell me what to think. I must be in the vast minority.
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johnson0317 wrote:By the way...where did you pull "zeolite" from? Here is the definition, according to Merriam-Webster.com:

Definition of ZEOLITE



: any of various hydrous silicates that are analogous in composition to the feldspars, occur as secondary minerals in cavities of lavas, and can act as ion-exchangers; also: any of various natural or synthesized silicates of similar structure used especially in water softening and as adsorbents and catalysts

— ze·o·lit·ic adjective


Origin of ZEOLITE

Swedish zeolit, from Greek zein to boil + -o- + Swedish -lit -lite, from French -lite— more at yeast
First Known Use: circa 1777

Were you simply hoping it was the right word for the argument?

RJ
Or it could have been that I thought the spelling was Zeolit and not zealot and didn't check the dictionary to see that I had the wrong spelling before posting. :mrgreen:
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Crossfire wrote:Unfortunately for him, this may be his LAST class before DPS pulls his certificate.

So, rent the local convention center and go out with a big bang!
"rlol" true true
for that religion discrimination part
Perhaps next week, or if the ACLU sues him, as part of a settlement to "fix it" or "undo it" he could run an ad "Special class for Islamic terrorists which I may have discriminated against last week"
no wait, that would still be ... that "separate but equal" discrimination thingy ...

He should have only put things which were not violations of Fed law, and it still might have gone viral, with less risk to his certifications

Makes me wonder if Senior Discounts are legal where "age" discrimination is a big deal, or is that age discrimination against the non-elderly. Perhaps IHOP (Senior Discount) and Whataburger (free drinks/refills for Seniors) should have food licenses pulled too. :smilelol5: :evil2: Yeah, the guy screwed up, and if it was Washington DC where only one gun dealer is, it might need investigating. Perhaps he should get a "public reprimand" and repent with some sanctions ...
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RPB wrote: Makes me wonder if Senior Discounts are legal where "age" discrimination is a big deal, or is that age discrimination against the non-elderly. Perhaps IHOP (Senior Discount) and Whataburger (free drinks/refills for Seniors) should have food licenses pulled too. :smilelol5: :evil2: Yeah, the guy screwed up, and if it was Washington DC where only one gun dealer is, it might need investigating. Perhaps he should get a "public reprimand" and repent with some sanctions ...
Of course if you follow the letter of the law they are not legal. IMO the "ladies nights" that so many bars/night clubs use to have aren't either. (Maybe still do for all I know.) Trouble with all this is that there are protected groups and there PROTECTED groups. Insurance companies discriminate on bases on sex and age all the time. They say they aren't, they are basing their rates on statistics. I believe them but the boundaries are based on boundaries of protected groups, but not PROTECTED groups. I'd bet you could use statistics to show that the preponderance of terrorist are Islamic. Doesn't mean that all those who follow Islam are terrorist, no more than all teenage male drivers are bad drivers. But insurance companies can get away with it.

Of course discrimination seems to be very one way. It is a federal hate crime if a white person attacks a black, but not if a hate crime if it is a black attacks a white. I know the assumption is that in the first case the assault is based on race but not in the second.
XnTx wrote: I wonder if it could be argued that since the state issues CHLs, only after documented training by a state licensed CHL instructor, that he is essentially an agent of the state and bound by the same requirements which would eliminate his right to refuse service without cause. Doing so, it seems, should put his CHL instructor license at risk.
It is of course possible but I really doubt that being a licensed CHL instructor makes him is an agent of the state. At least it shouldn't. I was under the impression that the license simply said he knows what to teach and agrees to teach it. Same with any other state issued license. My teaching license says I know enough Chemistry, Physics, and Math to meet the state's requirements. It doesn't make me an agent of the state. If anything it makes me the agent of a school that hires me to teach. Are either private hospitals or insurance companies agents of the state? Don't know but doubt it.

Can private hospitals, who are licensed by the state, turn away patients who can't pay? The do all the time, specially for non life threatening emergencies. While it may be non politically correct to say, that ability does often run along lines of race. Insurance companies, which must be state licensed, can choose who they wish to insure and who not. I guess as long as they say they base their decisions on a protected group, such as age or sex, it is OK, but wouldn't be if they based it on a PROTECTED group, such as race.

Strange world we live in. Ran by lawyers, for the lawyers. Why else would it make a difference if you use non-lethal vs. less than lethal force? Also it seems no matter what is said and/or done, someone will be offended. If they're loud enough about it all sorts of folk will jump on the band wagon.

Of course we have the brain washing of the media, who some say are controlled by the government, playing a large role in what the group, meaning public at large, thinks. Muslim's seem to be under fire since 9/11. Now we have new show about to air called "All American Muslim". Could our present administration have something to do with that?

As I said earlier, it is an interesting world we live in. (Just in case; To all the grammar Nazi's out there, I know that it isn't proper to end a sentence with a preposition and please excuse any spelling and/or typing errors. FWIW, I am such a bad speller that every time my wife asks me how to spell something I expect the ground to start shaking because of my former teachers rolling in their graves. Oh-Oh, just insulted dead teachers. Hope they are protected and not PROTECTED. :rolll Better hide before the black boots get here! "rlol" )
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old farmer wrote:Now the state agency is investigating Mr. Keller. Does a CHL instructor have the right to refuse a person because of religion or race?
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jocat54 wrote:
C-dub wrote:I also heard that this morning and was laughing pretty good until he said the part about Muslims. I guess he can say it, but if he were to actually deny someone that is eligible because of their race or religion I think he would be in trouble. What if he had said he wouldn't teach women because he didn't think they had any business handling a gun and should just stick to cooking?

Why can't he "reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"?
Well, I could be wrong, but wouldn't the refusal of service be based on religion or race? Isn't that discrimination? Aren't those two of the things that it is against the law to discriminate for?

I mean, one could be denied service for not wearing shoes or a shirt. However, denying someone because of their religion, gender, race, etc. will get one in trouble. I don't entirely agree with this law because it is being abused in the courts even now. I heard today that there are some Muslin students suing the Christian University they attend for having too many Christian symbols and it interferes with their prayers to Allah or Mohammed, I forget which. And there is another case where an atheist, I think, sued a Catholic Group for not allowing him to run for President of their organization. As ridiculous as these seem, the courts allowed them to proceed.
Got to thinking...there are numerous Women Only CHL classes I have seen??
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wgoforth wrote:
C-dub wrote:
jocat54 wrote:
C-dub wrote:I also heard that this morning and was laughing pretty good until he said the part about Muslims. I guess he can say it, but if he were to actually deny someone that is eligible because of their race or religion I think he would be in trouble. What if he had said he wouldn't teach women because he didn't think they had any business handling a gun and should just stick to cooking?

Why can't he "reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"?
Well, I could be wrong, but wouldn't the refusal of service be based on religion or race? Isn't that discrimination? Aren't those two of the things that it is against the law to discriminate for?

I mean, one could be denied service for not wearing shoes or a shirt. However, denying someone because of their religion, gender, race, etc. will get one in trouble. I don't entirely agree with this law because it is being abused in the courts even now. I heard today that there are some Muslin students suing the Christian University they attend for having too many Christian symbols and it interferes with their prayers to Allah or Mohammed, I forget which. And there is another case where an atheist, I think, sued a Catholic Group for not allowing him to run for President of their organization. As ridiculous as these seem, the courts allowed them to proceed.
Got to thinking...there are numerous Women Only CHL classes I have seen??
Yes, but I'm sure that this same instructor also teaches men in other classes. They may just advertise and market a particular class for women only who might not want to be in a class mostly full of men. I'm okay with that.
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i think it funny when someone calls themselves a christian and opens their mouth like this. talk about a hypocrite. this is why i stopped going to church a long time ago. I see a lot of people say how religious they are but outside of church they are the biggest biggots. what ever happen to the whole love thy neighbor thing?
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Feeling we need some levity to lighten the mood here, so try this out:
Tomorrow's AM Sermon: Jesus Went Walking On The Water.
Tomorrow's PM Sermon: Searching For Jesus

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alvins wrote:i think it funny when someone calls themselves a christian and opens their mouth like this. talk about a hypocrite. this is why i stopped going to church a long time ago. I see a lot of people say how religious they are but outside of church they are the biggest biggots. what ever happen to the whole love thy neighbor thing?
I try to avoid religion in a forum ... I could answer your question Biblically (at length), but it's quite too much to go into, as are Sanctuary cities; I'll briefly address your question though, since the door was opened


Deuteronomy 4:42 That the slayer might flee thither, which should kill his neighbor unawares, and hated him not in times past; and that fleeing unto one of these cities he might live:

One should judge his neighbor, but do so correctly
Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbor.

First, one must know WHO is a "neighbor" and who is not. Not every person is a "neighbor" only those who show/posses love/compassion/mercy


The "love thy neighbor" thing is in the old Testament in Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the LORD. So, it's talking about "thy people" ... The advertisement wasn't refusing service to "his people" so this argument has nothing to do with "neighbors", but I'll continue because ...

In the new Testament, the explanation of "neighbor" goes further:

Luke 10:36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves? 37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

Luke 10 shows that "neighbor" isn't defined by Race or status or nationality ... but Terrorists Extremists Cartel murderers are not my "neighbor" by that definition, even though they may occupy a "neighboring" (adjacent) Country, or be citizens of my own, live next door to me, attend the same place of Worship or a different one.... if they aren't merciful. Trees are judged by their fruit. Not everyone is my neighbor, and I don't have to love and "accept/tolerate bad behavior" of everyone.

There were also instructions to not make agreements/treaties, and by disobedience, they "earned" thousands of years worth of trouble
Judges 2:2 And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of this land;

As (those who put Obama in office) are earning troubles for us:
US Court Documents Claim Sinaloa “Cartel” Is Protected by US
Deal Allegedly Gave Sinaloa Bosses Immunity in Exchange for ..

Drug Lord Claims Immunity From Prosecution: Secret Alliance Between FBI, DEA & Sinaloa Cartel

The ad probably should have said ... "offer limited to neighbors only" since he appears to just not want to teach non-neighbors... but then it wouldn't have gone viral.
Seems he's opening a gun store too now that he got world wide attention.
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wgoforth wrote:Feeling we need some levity to lighten the mood here, so try this out:
Tomorrow's AM Sermon: Jesus Went Walking On The Water.
Tomorrow's PM Sermon: Searching For Jesus

:lol:
"rlol" Made me laugh

Last time I spoke on "Jesus Went Walking On The Water." I started with
Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

A Pastor in Abilene told me I sometimes get too detailed and talk over people's heads, and explained to me that not everyone there read the whole book front to back more than once yet. (I spoke too long/detailed about relationships of water/"Living" water/water of separation/water of purification and the Lavers/cleansing prior to service of the temple by Levites and feet washing at the last supper once, and bread/manna another time) so I sit in the cheering section (pews) more and stand up front less now :lol:

I think they replaced the clock in the back of the church with a larger, easier to see clock, so we'd know when to sit down :lol::

Back on topic: the man made an effective ad, he'll have to answer some questions because part was politically incorrect.
He spoke freely, whether he actually denied services to anyone who knows. Someone sent it to me in an e-mail today, it's gone viral, wonder what the ad cost? and ... he could have worded it better to not ostensibly appear violative of laws, and still gone viral, but he didn't, so he'll have to answer for that.
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