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I was there yesterday and the sin at the main entrance, although proper, was posted inside the door to the right and barely visable if you came through the revolving door. Could be easily missed.

If we have to adhere to the signage, I think they should be required to post them where they can be easily seen

RPBrown wrote:I was there yesterday and the sin at the main entrance, although proper, was posted inside the door to the right and barely visable if you came through the revolving door. Could be easily missed.

If we have to adhere to the signage, I think they should be required to post them where they can be easily seen

I believe the verbiage is conspiratorially displayed.
Such sign placement meant not hold up in court if someone inadvertantly walked in carrying and for some reason was caught.

My biggest concern with hospitals is that if a CHLer were to go into the emergancy injured and in pain they might not notice the sign no mater how well posted it is,

Many people going through the emergency room doors aren't thinking in the clearest most coherent manor.

Liberty wrote: Many people going through the emergency room doors aren't thinking in the clearest most coherent manor.

This was the reason for hospitals being banned in the first place. We don't want to go back to that.

Liberty wrote:Many people going through the emergency room doors aren't thinking in the clearest most coherent manor.

Not sure how I should feel about that. Thinking impaired by pain, illness, or medication and then carrying.

and a lot of folks go through those emergency room doors assisting the ill or injured person they took to the ER.... that's the folks that come to mind for me when talking about those that might be too "pre-occupied" to worry about reading signs.

Someone can be sober as a judge and carrying legally, and suddenly get involved in a medical emergency that requires a trip to the ER. It might not be possible to stash the weapon in a privately owned motor vehicle either.

In my experience, they don't have metal detectors and they don't search the friends or relatives of patients who are acting normally for the situation. (I have heard of intoxicated and deranged people being turned over to the cops in hospitals.)

- Jim

...from LEO experience, it was common to have ER patients relieved of weapons by the Drs....and to have agitated family members come in with weapons on them...and that was 30+ years ago...when FAR less punks carried...ER duty is as dangerous as it gets...especially when the moon is full...

sugar land dave wrote:

Liberty wrote:Many people going through the emergency room doors aren't thinking in the clearest most coherent manor.

Not sure how I should feel about that. Thinking impaired by pain, illness, or medication and then carrying.

If I had been carrying when I got in my bike accident years ago, my two choices would have been "thinking impaired by pain, illness, or medication and then carrying", or leave it by the side of the road for some random person to find in the morning. I'm not advocating getting all drugged up so you can barely walk then strapping on Rambo's arsenal, but if I'm CCing out & about and the excrement hits the ventilator, I'd like the option of not having to leave my gun hidden in the bushes down by the river before I get taken to the ER.

Speaking of which, what happens if, say, you're in a car wreck and you're unconscious and the paramedics don't notice your gun and they take you to a hospital that is properly posted? Sheriff's/DA's discretion?

People in the know have said that if you are incapacitated and found to be carrying a weapon at an accident scene or in a hospital, the weapon will be turned over to the cops.

You cannot be prosecuted for something that happens while you are unconscious. Criminal guilt requires a competent mental state (mens rea is the legal term).

- Jim

...that makes sense...like in the military you can't be punished for anything you do in the first 30 seconds you're awakened...like hitting the one who woke you...I'd be curious about carrying a weapon...they let you slide if they can't prove you put it on ??? it's got to be written somewhere...I'd like to find it...I'm not talking about a CHL carried unconscious into a hospital for treatment, rather an unconscious person found with a gun on their person criminally...

You're not going to find it written down in black and white in one place. Mens rea is a legal principle. You can find the relevant statutes in the Texas Penal Code, Chapters 2 and 6.

There's quite a bit of case law around whether a person is knowingly carrying contraband (usually drugs). If you are conscious and found to be carrying contraband on your person, you can't credibly deny that you knew it was there. If you are unconscious, reasonable doubt exists that you put it there or knew it was there.

- Jim

...so, if it carries to other things...a citizen brought into an ER unconscious could deny that he put the gun in his pocket and walk free...even if it were his gun...seems like...I'm reading that about that mens rae...pretty interesting...thanks!!!

speedsix wrote:...that makes sense...like in the military you can't be punished for anything you do in the first 30 seconds you're awakened...like hitting the one who woke you...

I would like to know where that is written, or I would have 40 years ago, when I was punished, not for not making it to quarters but for supposedly saying something to the person attempting to wake me up.

...I'll try to find it...we were taught that in boot camp in the Corps...I saw it work once when an Indian Marine with a hangover slugged a Lieutenant...and it seemed to be common knowledge then...that was 70...